r/CombatFootage • u/JusTheTip1 • Feb 06 '23
Ukrainian servicemen abandon trench position under fire Video
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u/Interesting_Aioli592 Feb 07 '23
Bruh my guy just turned his head to get blasted by the grenade.
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u/HelpfulYoghurt Feb 07 '23
On the contrary the other dude had perfect timing with the entrance to the bunker
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u/CheetahStocks Feb 07 '23
Yeah... if I got in the face with a nade and I knew there was a medical tent or a medical setup I'd be hauling ass out the trench too. Their position is compromised. They are going to lose men holding it against drones.
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u/cata2k Feb 07 '23
This blows but we should try to watch both sides. Ukraine has fought harder than most people thought she would, but she's still taking casualties. Difficult upvote
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u/smoozer Feb 07 '23
This is just high quality footage. Hate to see them get hit, but there's no reason to downvote this. It's a great example of the effects of small grenade fragmentation.
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u/the_other_OTZ Feb 06 '23
Any idea what the splodey thing was? Grenade from an AGL?
Always tough to see the good guys in this position, but crystal clear footage is still good footage.
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u/1337coinvb Feb 07 '23
I guess VOG from drone or AGL - impact speed to fast for a nade throw, blast radius seems to checkout too
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u/virus_apparatus Feb 07 '23
HD footage. One thing I’ll say about them “ abandoning” the trench is they do t all run at once. It’s clear they send a runner and one guy at a time. This is a better approach as each guy gets some cover fire as he retreats.
Brutal though that that one guy got hit full force in what looks like the fact
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u/HankKwak Feb 07 '23
Ukrainian servicemen abandon trench position under fire
So this is called 'narrative building' and is a large part of Russian propaganda.
The title conveys a less-than-likely narrative, imposed purposely to make the UA look bad.
We clearly see multiple people checking out the guy wounded, there is communication taking place and no one is fleeing in a panic.
One stays behind and helps the wounded guy into a dugout in a calm fashion, no panic.
The other two that leave are more likely to retrieve supplies or a medic as they are not bolting simultaneously in a panic as the title suggests.
This is a well handled situation with no panic and contrary to the title, they clearly don't abandon the wounded solider or by extension the trench.
But that's just how Russian propaganda works.
If you cannot straight up lie, take it out of context and impose a narrative not based on the facts.
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u/mozartkart Feb 07 '23
It is narrative building and everyone does it. I know russia sucks balls in all this, but Ukraine videos heavily do the same thing. This is just a simple video of a position getting hit and shit hitting the fan. If you look at this and think all of UA is abandoning then you are an idiot. Same thing with videos showing Russian positions getting hit. Ukraine places a narrative on how cowardly and bad all Russian soldiers are and people eat that up. But Russia is still here and feeding the grinder. Everyone tilts the material to their needs and bias.
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u/PileofTerdFarts Feb 07 '23
I can realize you are correct, and still feel the proponderance of video evidence for a WHOLE YEAR NOW has shown greater incompetence on the Russian side than the Ukrainian side. I mean... I've just seen a whole lot more Russian stupidity vs. Ukrainian stupidity, although I know both sides are taking casualties. I guess the Ukrainians just have more to lose and fight to the end, while Russians tend to run away at the first sign they might be getting overpowered? I dunno. I try very hard to watch both sides, and as difficult as it is to see the good guys (whom I consider allies) getting fucked, its necessary to have a well-advised point of view. A great example was that friendly-fire tank incident on the captured BMP not long ago. But those are few and far between, whereas Ive seen 10 videos of Russians being daft already today. I dunno... just saying. Narratives are always full of lies, but video evidence is hard to refute.
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u/DonDilDonis Feb 07 '23
Dude this sub caters towards Ukrainian. It goes out of the way to make fun of Russians, there isn’t an unbiased post on here for the most part. Just because you’ve “seen” more russian incompetence doesn’t mean your right….. it’s just what you been allowed to see here.
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u/mozartkart Feb 07 '23
I was gonna say he mentioned he knows it's a thing then 100% blew past that.
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u/Financial_Glove603 Feb 08 '23
They abandon the trench. They completely leave it. Nothing in the definition of “abandon” requires panic.
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u/HankKwak Feb 08 '23
Abandon is not the same as going to retrieve supplies or a medic though is it…
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u/Ftbh Feb 07 '23
What would you do in this situation? I’ve always thought that maybe the best option would be to sit right at the fork of the trench and when a grenade drops you duck into the opposite direction.
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u/Klesko Feb 07 '23
Wait, since we are we allowed to post anything showing Ukraine armed forces in a negative light? Is this a new policy or are the mods just asleep?
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u/MrSierra125 Feb 08 '23
Bad troll
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u/Klesko Feb 08 '23
Really? I just checked and of the first 20 topics on this subreddit 19 were favorable to Ukraine and 1 was favorable to Russia.
You cannot deny that this subreddit is promoting positive ukraine military videos and suppressing positive russian videos.
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u/Unhappy-Friendship78 Feb 07 '23
What would happen to these guys are losing a position? Are there consiquences for losing their position or would it be "ok you go here now" i know Russians get bashed for losing a position just wondering how Ukriane handles it atm or even Americans in Iraq and stuff
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u/Jeezal Feb 07 '23
First line of defense is always "retreat if pressed too hard"
There is literally no capacity to hold the front trenches with this amount of firepower. This is why there are usually 3 lines of defense (same goes for russians)
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u/Unhappy-Friendship78 Feb 07 '23
I did read somewhere that frontlined positions are usually changing places from assaults, counter assaults and artiliry so i somewhat understand falling back from the fronts but other positions (civi so not sure what other positions i am refering to) of somewhat importance
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u/kozscabble Feb 07 '23
They dont bash your head in with a sledge hammer, they just say damn that sucks, probably many understood cases of retreat especially if only a recon mission or something and not a stronghold
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u/PileofTerdFarts Feb 07 '23
Retreat can be a tactical decision in order to regroup, rearm, and replan the mission. There is no dishonor in a well-reasoned retreat. i.e. Sometimes you catch the fish, sometimes the fish catches you... It looked like a one guy self-evac after a moderate wound to me, but who knows in reality. What I did not see was a panicked scramble for the hills.
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u/killerweeee Feb 07 '23
There is a video of some AFU guys just walking along a road complaining about casualties and a few deaths recently. Think they just got to embrace the suck.
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u/puc_poc Feb 07 '23
If they did it against the orders of the immediate commander, it's definitely punishable. Probably not the case though. Retreating in general is absolutely normal, it's a part of the war. In many cases the same trench will be recaptured again in a matter of hours. If they start to bash everyone who retreats they will soon run out of soldiers, really.
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u/pandaboss97 Feb 07 '23
Russians get executed for running away from their positions. I'dk about Ukraine but considering were helping to train them they probably follow western doctrine. Retreating to a new position is better than holding an untenable position and getting slaughtered. Cowardice is something different but retreating is just a part of war.
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u/Unhappy-Friendship78 Feb 07 '23
Ah thats where i was getting confused i think, how they figure out if you retreat was that of tatics or fear
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u/pandaboss97 Feb 07 '23
For russians they dont find out, if you retreat, you die. They have started placing units behind frontlines to shoot any who retreat. For western countries if you showed extreeme cowardice and risked the lives of fellow soldiers you might get arrested and tried for something. But generally in western countries our units build strong bonds and wont retreat unless ordered too. We dont shame units that retreat in the face of overwhelming odds. Think of russia using its troops to clog a meat grinder, western countries like the US use their soldiers like chess pieces. It's ok to step back and re engage at a later time.
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u/whatever_person Feb 07 '23
There is a new law introduced recently, that unfortunately punishes any soldiers who retreated without command and commanders quite often suck. Quite many issues in logistics and comms too. But the fault would be given to soldiers.
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u/Unhappy-Friendship78 Feb 07 '23
Ah then they hit you with the "who ordered the retreat? We have no comms, ah so no one gave the order" kinda stitch ups 😔
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u/walteroblanco Feb 08 '23
Are you serious? Do you have any source to back up a statement that sounds like WW2 anti Soviet propaganda?
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u/pandaboss97 Feb 08 '23
Yes, on the whole western countries do not execute their people for not wanting to fight.
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u/Tomii9 Feb 08 '23
Why are they using that bright as fuck stretcher? Who was the idiot that gave it to frontline units?
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u/dontgive2shits420 Feb 07 '23
Look like going for more help not running of most stayed there
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u/mcchickeneater Feb 07 '23
okay lets get real. your telling me they dont have one radio on any of them?
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u/CropDuster921 Feb 07 '23
The guy running is the one that is the closest when the explosion happens… bizarre situation. Is he evacuating himself after taking shrapnel to the face? I honestly can’t tell
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u/dontgive2shits420 Feb 07 '23
Ya but they probably have stuff stashed in the tree line they mite need like another stretcher since other guy went down so you run grab it hard to put all your supplies in a trench
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u/windol1 Feb 07 '23
Technology isn't full proof and can go wrong, especially when it's getting beaten, bashed and covered in dirt.
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u/PerfectDeath Feb 07 '23
Okay lets get real. Runners are more reliable especially if there's jamming and you have to try and explain your position over static. I'm not sure how this is an abandoned position either if 1 of 5 leaves.
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u/CropDuster921 Feb 07 '23
After rewatching this, the guy thats the closest to the grenade or mortar is the one that hauls ass out of there. I wonder if he knew he was wounded and knew his eye or face was fucked and communicated he was running himself to the nearest med tent or whatever because it wasn’t his legs that were the problem. Seems too weird that out of all of them, this was the guy that ran