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u/AvikHyp3
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Can we please stop acting like we are innocent or that what we have done is on the same level as others? Whatever punishment we get we most likely deserve.
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u/horbu Feb 06 '23
We are innocent until proven guilty or has something changed and I have never seen others hacked or investigated in this way so I don't know what they have or haven't done.
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u/RPadTV Feb 06 '23
I have never seen others hacked or investigated in this way
Rui Pinto is responsible for document leaks on several teams and players, many of which led to investigations. PSG's financials and CR7's Las Vegas case being reexamined immediately come to mind.
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
I mean I think it's insanely clear just based on revenue reports alone we are doing very shady things with ffp. Not saying we are the only club to do it, but none of then seem to do it to our level.
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u/horbu Feb 06 '23
If it's so insanely clear to you then you should probably take this irrefutable evidence to the authorities as they have been trying, unsuccessfully, to prove this for years.
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
I think it's very naive to think the rich and powerful get properly punished for crimes they commit. If you truly have that much trust in these systems then idk what to say. These type of entities get away with shit alllllllll the time
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u/Dello155 Feb 06 '23
You're getting downvoted into oblivion but this is sorta my take. I think all billion dollar entities at some level are doing things to get around systems or increase profits. Its encoded into their nature. However in this instance I really do think the status quo clubs do not want big outside ownerships not vetted by their circle.
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u/horbu Feb 06 '23
We got to conspiracy theory surprisingly quick.
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
Conspiracy?? It's reality. You have to have some sort of maturity to realize that. Stop letting fan bias guide your entire viewpoint and principles
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u/Fantastic_Painter_15 Feb 06 '23
Nah mate, I’m sorry but you can’t say that yet. City’s accounts are some of, if not the most highly scrutinized accounts in the history of sport and have been for over a decade now. Not one single financial irregularity has EVER been found and proven against City. Never once. This idea that we’re suddenly now guilty of 100s of violations that nobody has ever noticed before is such a fallacy. It’s utterly ridiculous when you say it out loud and really think about it.
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u/1174239 Feb 06 '23
not to mention it's positively silly that "severe punishment" could be meted out simply over whether money came from the ownership itself or whether it came from an outside sponsor
that is something absolutely nobody would give a single shit about if city were, i don't know, a biscuit factory instead of a football club
even if city are guilty, why should we all hang our heads over something like this and act like pep shot someone or something? the "horrific cheating" others accuse us of is basically just "which soulless corporate entity did your money come from?" whatever
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u/Little_Ruskie Feb 06 '23
I agree. Most likely we didn't exceed past those clubs. Maybe in recent years we matched.
Though how is spending based on revenue fair play? It guarantees large popular clubs a significant advantage. The only way a team middle or bottom of the pack can compete yearly is to be purchased by wealthy owners that aren't afraid to heavily spend until the fan base is grown. I would understand if they implemented spend and salary caps that are the same for every team, but these rules do nothing, but protect clubs that are already established as global brands.
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u/natematt210 Feb 06 '23
That's all FFP has ever been. Protect the old guard and keep them top. No new owners coming in and making mid teams relevant, especially if those new owners are brown.
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u/Fantastic_Painter_15 Feb 06 '23
When has it been proven? Read what I said again.
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Bruh
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u/Fantastic_Painter_15 Feb 06 '23
Nothing has been proven against City. That’s a fact and I don’t really care whether you accept it or not. It’s a fact
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u/Fantastic_Painter_15 Feb 06 '23
I said proven. Found and proven. Court of Arbitration for Sport has already reviewed all those and found nothing wrong 🤔
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u/SwitchHitter17 Feb 06 '23
They didn't "find nothing wrong". You got off on a technicality because it was past the statute of limitations.
In fact, the judgment recites, the AC found that ADUG had funded the payments, and that: “The management of [MCFC] was well aware that the payments … made by [a third party on behalf of ADUG] were made as equity funding, not as payments for the sponsor on account of genuine sponsorship liabilities.” The judgment notes that although City and Etisalat had agreed a sponsorship deal in principle in 2012, the actual contract was concluded only in January 2015, and was stated to be retrospectively effective, from 1 February 2012.
In public statements throughout the process, City had accused the members of the IC, AC and Uefa itself of bias against the club, claiming they ignored “irrefutable evidence”. The Cas judgment makes no suggestion of bias, and states that “Uefa by no means filed frivolous charges against MCFC. As also acknowledged by MCFC, there was a legitimate basis to prosecute MCFC.”
Educate yourself about your own damn club.
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u/Fantastic_Painter_15 Feb 06 '23
Sounds like nothing was proven against them
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u/SwitchHitter17 Feb 06 '23
Not yet. We'll see. Your claim that the CAS "found nothing wrong" is completely false though. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just ignorant on the matter. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to defend what's going on here though. Open your eyes.
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u/JimmyJohnsonjj Feb 06 '23
IF we get punished then we can act like we did something wrong. But something that has been unproven and no-one, including you, actually know about can't just said as oh well, we did something wrong. The club literally refutes that.
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u/lennowitz Feb 06 '23
This and nothing else. We probably did shady stuff, especially in the first years after the takeover.
We will take whatever punishment and will get through it.
Stop playing the victim card guys...
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
We as fans don't choose our owners. We aren't responsible for what they do. We also shouldn't blindly protect them regardless of what they could have done. If we get punished harshly continue to support the club qnd whoever decides to stay
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u/lennowitz Feb 06 '23
Yeah I agree. Same for the players I guess (well I hope).
All those "unleash our lawyers" memes make me sick.(not saying we shouldn't to limit damage but still)
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
Yea I agree. It's a weird mentality. I don't want the club to have to be finessing the courts to keep our place in world football
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u/Conscious-Ad-9358 Feb 06 '23
Seems like the supporters are «clear minded» on this, a pleasant surprise I must say. You didn’t cause this, the owners did, as mentioned by many. Take the punishment and move on, let it be a reminder to those who want to buy clubs in the PL in the future.
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
Eh plenty of our supporters seem to be going off the rails defending the owners/management to the death as if it's impossible for them to have committed serious footballing crimes
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u/Iswaterreallywet Feb 06 '23
Spending money on their team is a potentially serious crime?
I don’t give a fuck what arbitrary rules the league set up that prevents people from spending money to keep the old boys at the top.
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u/eltee27 Feb 06 '23
I couldn't care less about the rules myself, but the reality is that the club agreed to play by those rules.
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u/Conscious-Ad-9358 Feb 06 '23
It was a compliment to those of you who see this for what it is, all clubs would have supporters acting like that in a situation like this. Best of luck.
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
Yea I agree to that point. It just angers me but also I know it's not exclusive to our club or even this sport
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u/bllshrfv Feb 06 '23
This world isn’t all good, but I really don’t understand how this fanbase act like that Man City topping the revenue charts above Barça, Real, Bayern, etc aren’t shady as fuck deals
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
Of couse it is. It's basic logic. How could we possibly have better revenue than Real Madrid without some weird/shady/illegal deals
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u/Paothc Feb 06 '23
I don't know what kind of Agenda you are saying? When we are literally #1 on spending the money if you deny that you must be really delusional.
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u/Fantastic_Painter_15 Feb 06 '23
“#1 in spending” as if that’s a real metric whatsoever.
What time period? Past year? Past 5 years?Gross spending? Net spending? Spending as a % of revenues?
Your comment reads exactly like those wet blanket morons on r/soccer think. Try adding some context, because your statement is not accurate.
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u/Dello155 Feb 06 '23
Uh we haven't even entered the top 5 in the BLOODY EPL in the past 3 years. What are you on?
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u/Jazano107 Feb 06 '23
please stop with the racist stuff. its stupid
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
I don't think they were claiming racism tbf its just a meme template ignore the original context
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u/Vronx_ Feb 06 '23
Yeah I wasn't playing the race card. Maybe the title made my post more serious than I wanted it to be lol
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u/Jazano107 Feb 06 '23
people have posted this exact thing recently to claim racism agaisnt our owners
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u/AvikHyp3 Feb 06 '23
Yea I think it's stupid I just assumed OP wasn't meaning it that way. Not sure tho
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u/JimmyJohnsonjj Feb 06 '23
Let's be honest though, there is a clear difference to how American owner and Middle Eastern owners are seen. No one talks about hoe members of FSG fund America in the middle East but everyone mention everything to do with our owners. Both are bad but only one gets called out. I wonder why?
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u/Jazano107 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
probably because our owner is litterally part of the royal family of a country built on oil with bad human rights, not some random billionaire
Edit: ngl a lot of you suck if you cant see the difference
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u/JimmyJohnsonjj Feb 06 '23
Because American owners wealth is definitely built on hard work and not through slavery and raping other countries.
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u/Jazano107 Feb 06 '23
oh shut up jesus christ. if you cant see the difference youre actually insanely biased
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u/JimmyJohnsonjj Feb 06 '23
You're the one ignore one of the owners problems not me. I absolutely think how our got there money is wrong.
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u/Dello155 Feb 06 '23
Fucking door knob, look at some of the parent groups in the PL. Walmart, Pfizer, GE, Shell, Texico.... all companies who have done as bad or worse. Everyone at the top is playing the same game, hell we made the middle east rich!
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u/kanyeshakur Feb 06 '23
Do you think American billionaires don’t profit from exploitation either? A country built on oil who cares what natural resources they have
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u/Jazano107 Feb 06 '23
obviosly they do but they dont run a literal country with bad human rights
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u/kanyeshakur Feb 06 '23
America: the place where no infringements of human rights has ever occurred in human history and where nobody profits from any human rights infringements ever
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u/Jazano107 Feb 06 '23
Can you seriously not tell the difference between a guy who is part of the family who runs the country and a billionaire from America??
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u/Dello155 Feb 06 '23
If you think xenophobia and the "outsider" factor dont play a part here, im sorry but you're wrong.
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u/LilEscobarz Feb 06 '23
How is that an agenda? City has spent well over what they earned through their revenue and has been funded by an entire state. How is that fair to the other teams in the league?
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u/WNDRkid8 Feb 06 '23
Sources for these claims? Net spend data shows a different story.
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u/skinnysnappy52 Feb 06 '23
Isn’t the issue more with dodgy sponsorships artificially inflating what city can spend whilst still being in compliance with FFP?
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u/1174239 Feb 06 '23
that's exactly the issue
the rules have never been about "fairness" even though people seem to think they are
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u/LilEscobarz Feb 06 '23
Well the recent investigations tells a different story from 2009 up until 2018. City have rivaled the biggest clubs in revenue in just 5-6 years? Don't you find this suspicious at all, considering that they have only been in the prem for less than a decade at that point?
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u/WNDRkid8 Feb 06 '23
Suspicion and facts are 2 different things. Unless you have concrete proof you can’t go around slandering teams. City has been around for a long time. Thanks to City, United had a place to play back in the day when they couldn’t afford to keep the lights on. There are generations of fans that are now global. Winning also helps 🙄
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u/Dorkseidis Feb 06 '23
Slander ? You think people are slandering City? It’s been obvious to people for almost a decade that City were cheating. The nerve to accuse people of slander …
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u/LilEscobarz Feb 06 '23
Keep staying deluded. There is a reason why the Premier League is taking action now after 5 years worth of investigation. Etihad is barely filled on match days and I am supposed to believe they make the same amount of money as Real or Barcelona, the two most popular clubs in football history. The club is owned by modern day slave owners ffs.
You, me and your nan know its true.
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u/NeuroticPanda92 Feb 06 '23
Can we stop this narrative about the stadium being empty, a quick Google shows average attendance at 53,185, the capacity is 53,400, honestly mate you can have your agenda but at least stick to facts.
Oh and Barcelona are in crazy debt but continue to spend millions on players, this is okay in your opinion though because they're historically successful yeah?
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u/LilEscobarz Feb 06 '23
What Barcelona is doing can't be compared to City at all. Please do some research first.
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u/NeuroticPanda92 Feb 06 '23
Nice of you to ignore half of my comment cause you've got nothing to say lol
Admittedly I don't know much about the Barca situation cause frankly I don't really care enough to look into it, but from what I do know, they're unable to even pay their players wages, yet continue to spend obscene amounts of money on new players, how is that financially viable or fair? Or do you just not care because you have a higher regard for that club?
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u/LilEscobarz Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
Then go educate yourself on it before speaking on the matter? I'm talking about the attendees from 2009-2018 specifically FYI. Obviously City are making good revenue right now and high attendence (well sometimes lol) because they have one of the best teams and coach. But that was not the case a decade ago.
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u/NeuroticPanda92 Feb 06 '23
09/10 - 3rd 10/11 - 4th 11/12 - 4th 12/13 - 4th 13/14 - 4th 14/15 - 4th 15/16 - 3rd 16/17 - 4th 17/18 - 5th 18/19 - 5th 19/20 - 6th 20/21 - 7th (COVID) 21/22 - 6th
Idk man, actually would appear that average attendance has been lower in recent years than the timeframe you stated, but please tell me more about how I should educate myself before talking about something.
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u/WNDRkid8 Feb 06 '23
I don’t think anyone here is on board with human rights violations or defends our owners in that regard. but saying someone is guilty because of who they are is, well, you know.
When was your last time at the Etihad? Or was that what you heard? You can reference a lot of the videos in the sub showing just how full it is on match days.
It took the prem years to scrape up some (what we will probably come to see) is BS. People love to hate on a well run club with proper infrastructure and willingness to give back to the club and that is fine. But innocent until proven guilty. There’s a lot of bias out there. You should be over in the Chelsea sun with your torch and pitchfork complaining that they have 3 first teams instead.
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u/LilEscobarz Feb 06 '23
Oh, so where is this mentality when people were up in arms about the world cup being held in Qatar? I've been to the Emirates and Saudi, I know from first hand experience how people get treated there, so stop the cap.
But that's besides the point. City winning 3 Premier League titles from 2009-2018 does not magically bump their revenue up to the same number as the the biggest clubs in the world. It's crazy how you refuse to see all the red flags, but it can't be helped since your judgement is clouded by being biased.
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u/WNDRkid8 Feb 06 '23
You sound like you should be mad at FIFA for agreeing to have such a host. Has nothing to do with Man City?
I’m just asking where is your proof? You’re probably a super league supporter too 🤭. Let’s make sure the top stay top… no outsiders allowed… and top clubs (historically) can do whatever they want to stay there.
Please
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u/LilEscobarz Feb 06 '23
So according to you, OJ Simpson is not someone who murdered his wife in cold blood? Im just applying your logic here.
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u/codespyder Feb 06 '23
You’re doing a fantastic job at winning over hearts and minds. Please take a break. You’ve earned it.
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u/WNDRkid8 Feb 06 '23
He was found innocent so yea? If you could convict someone without proof I’d call say you were guilty of being an idiot, but I need an IQ test to confirm that. (Proof)
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u/schultzy2824 Feb 06 '23
You gotta be joking lol. What about the other middle eastern owned clubs? They're only racist towards your middle east owners?
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u/Vronx_ Feb 06 '23
Mate it's the meme format I'm not saying the race thing
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u/schultzy2824 Feb 06 '23
Lol sorry for the misunderstanding in that case. it's just that the point of the meme format is that it IS a race thing.
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u/Brendan110_0 Feb 06 '23
The only football crime City have committed is stealing the ball 80% of most games.