r/PublicFreakout • u/ImYourRealDadHey • Jan 24 '23

2 lady’s flipping a guys car after he burnt the Quran Repost 😔

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u/dengar_hennessy Jan 25 '23

Pretty sure only one of these things is illegal

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u/ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW Jan 25 '23

Is attempted murder halal?

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u/iproblyrong Jan 25 '23

Yeah murder is A-ok with them

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u/somerandomie Jan 25 '23

"them"? are we grouping 1.5B+ people together because of 2 fucking bored idiots and their idiotic interaction with a bunch of provocateur racists? these racist idiots wanted a reaction and they got one! its like calling a black guy the n word and act surprised when he retaliates... not saying its right, but its fucking expected base on previous incidents of people doing the exact same thing!

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u/iproblyrong Jan 25 '23

Look around…these were two “normal ladies” but were totally fine killing these guys over a book and they aren’t the only ones killing other humans over next to nothing.

It is nothing like verbal assault, nor was it directed at anyone specifically like verbal assault would be.

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u/somerandomie Jan 25 '23

lol did I say these two ladies were normal ladies? I literally called them "fucking bored idiots"... you are so quick to jump to conclusions and defend your stance that you didnt even read my post!

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u/leilaniko Jan 25 '23

You defend religious extremists and literal attempted murder (the muslim women), and call the men that bought their OWN quran and burned it racist when they have a right to burn whatever they own if they want to. Reevaluate yourself.

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u/somerandomie Jan 25 '23

how am I defending religious extremists? where did I defend the attempted murder? I am saying these clowns were looking for a reaction and they got it from the most extremists muslims! maybe I misunderstood you when you said "them" as I took it as all muslims! if you meant to say them as in those 2 ladies then yea you are absolutely right!

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u/leilaniko Jan 25 '23

I think you completely phrased your original comment wrong. There's a ton of Muslims that are religious extremist and yes I also meant the women in the video of course. Majority of Islam is misogynistic, racist, compels it's followers to kill others for having different beliefs, etc. The religion overall isn't a net good for humanity, the actual Quran is divisive in nature, and Muslim men kill women all the time just for not doing one thing right in that little book.

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u/somerandomie Jan 25 '23

oh no I agree that Quran is contradictory... as an ex muslim the initial thing that got me to turn away from it was every section starting with "in the name of god that is forgiving and kind" and then it moves on to tell you about the punishments youll get for x,y,z... but I do disagree with you that "There's a ton of Muslims that are religious extremist"... most muslims I know are just simply brainwashed from childhood and are too scared of "but what if it was true", so they pretend to believe and follow the rules just in case hell and heaven is real... apart from that they are too busy trying to make a living in a capitalist world to care about or dedicate their lives to these causes! Also the entire point of my posts on this thread is to say that its all bad (and maybe I didnt do a good job getting my msg across)... When Israel uses the torah to justify ownership over a land, when bush invaded iraq cuz god told him, or when Iran hangs protestors for "crimes against god" I say its all fucking crazy and bad!

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u/Fried_Fart Jan 25 '23

Are they really “clowns” for making a display of burning a symbol of hate?

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u/somerandomie Jan 25 '23

yea, imo I think they are clowns for taking the time out of their day, buy qurans, grab their camera and film themselves triggering people! What good does it do to burn a book and try to get a reaction out of people? if they werent looking for a reaction and didnt expect one, they wouldnt do it in public, or they wouldnt have their cars running and run away while holding a burning quran out of the car! I think its helpful to have a convo about religion and how its a symbol of mostly hate, but imo this isnt a productive way to have that convo!

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u/nox66 Jan 25 '23

its like calling a black guy the n word

Is that the level of entitlement you think Muslims should have over the actions of others? Where burning a book full of questionable beliefs that so many are proud of is comparable to insulting someone due to their family history of slavery and discrimination?

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u/somerandomie Jan 25 '23

who determines the level of "entitlement" a group/religion is deserved/entitled to? How about George Bush going into Iraq and killing so many people and justifying his action as righteous because "God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq"? All these religions are fucking barbaric and useless, but the notion that one is worse than the other shows either how little you know about religion or you are just a racist that wants to defend his/her own!

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u/nox66 Jan 25 '23

I'm not talking about bible-thumpers or the US Republican's love of oil. I'm talking about Islam because that's what this video and this thread are about. If you can't stay on topic then you definitely don't have an argument.

who determines the level of "entitlement" a group/religion is deserved/entitled to?

If you have a set of beliefs, you open yourself up to those beliefs being challenged and potentially hated (especially if those beliefs are used to discriminate against others). That is not the same as being black, or your ethnicity in general. Being in a religion is either something you choose or is forced on you by the society around you (though even then, you have options to not go the extra mile and attempt vehicular manslaughter). Being black is not something a person has a choice in, nor does it confer an ideology that allows it to be qualified as inherently negative or positive (same as having any ethnicity in general). The Quoran is a book of belief and ideology, and can be judged on what it says and what that means to people.

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u/somerandomie Jan 25 '23

You are correct that the black comparison is not one to one... I was born into Islam and left it, my family is pretty liberal and couldnt care less that I dont believe so you are correct that its up to you to some extend to take religion as seriously as you'd like... with that being said, a lot of people discount the brainwashing that a lot of these people go through to get to this state! I see them as victims tbh cuz no one is born this fucking crazy over a book, this is done through constant brainwashing and installing fear!

but what I am trying to say (which I may be wrong, and willing to admit) and what I disagree with you is that a lot of people that believe in religion, do it wholeheartedly and to a t. most of the "muslims" I know will not qualify to be a muslim base on their actions and the same goes with my christian, jewish etc friends! most people dont think about religion on the daily basis and grouping 1.5b people together base on a viral video is just unfair and short sighted!

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u/endorphin-neuron Jan 25 '23

I was born into Islam and left it,

I find that really, really hard to believe considering you're utterly ignorant about the things the Quran advocates for, specifically the violence it advocates for.

That or you are aware of it but you're intentionally pretending like it doesn't exist.

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u/somerandomie Jan 25 '23

lol well its a good thing that I dont care if you believe me or not! and you clearly did not read my post and are equating islam with muslims... islam is the religion which is rigid and tied to the book (with many sects that interpret the book differently and have different norms), muslims consists of individual complex human beings with freedom to practice islam as they please... are you pretending not to understand what I am saying or are you just repeating a talking point you heard somewhere?

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u/SolidParticular Jan 25 '23

You sound like one of them.

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u/gariant Jan 25 '23

Careful with your words or he'll kill you for them.

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u/LetThemEatFlame Jan 25 '23

Proof that even if they leave the religion their culture is incompatible with ours. Things will be better soon.

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u/somerandomie Jan 25 '23

1, yes we can group muslims together when talking about muslims since every muslim is a member of the group "muslims".

well you can group them together but you would be wrong... there are many sects of islam, some more extreme than others. then you have cultural muslims (feel free to look it up on wikipedia) that dont even practice islam, they just call themselves muslim!

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2, Some murder is excused in their scripture, so saying that murder is supported by the quaran is not a lie.

thats partially true... I would say, saying that some murder is supported by quran is not a lie! this is also true across all abrahamic religions.

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3, Burning a religious book isn't racist. It has nothing to do with skin color. He is anti-muslim, which is not a skin color.

since you are nitpicking at my post, I will do the same... racism isnt about just skin color, I googled the definition for you "characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.".

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4, how are you going to say these two things in the same post "are we grouping 1.5B+ people together because of 2 fucking bored idiots" and "but its fucking expected base on previous incidents of people"

what part of what I said you have an issue with? extremism and mental illness is not isolated to islam! white christian nationalists commit violence against other religious groups, does that make christianity and all christians violent racist nationalists? Israel, a jewish apartheid state, constantly exerts violence against minorities, including black/african jews. does that make all jews violent or in support of what israel is doing? Thats what I meant by not grouping 1.5b muslims into a singular entity! get it?

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u/endorphin-neuron Jan 25 '23

You really need to read the Quran, or at least an abridged version.

The Quran directly and explicitly condones violence, multiple times, including murder, against infidels and those who won't convert.

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u/tachophile Jan 25 '23

I recommend giving the Quran a read, at least the first few chapters where it prescribes a number of conditions where you're supposed to murder people.

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u/SpicySriracha_1 Jan 25 '23

Bro ur on Reddit what did u expect

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u/secondandmany Jan 25 '23

Ignore this thread, its full of bigotry, if you say anything rational you’re gonna get downvoted to oblivion

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u/redfirearne Jan 25 '23

Do you mind providing a specific source for those who are interested?

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u/YKJ07 Jan 25 '23

well, 9 times out of 10, its haram. That 1 time out of 10 is for actual self defense or similar situations

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u/endorphin-neuron Jan 25 '23

Against infidels: absolutely yes.

The Quran encourages killing anyone who refuses to convert to Islam.

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u/redfirearne Jan 25 '23

Source? Trust me bro?

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u/Schnitzel-1 Jan 25 '23

Maybe try reading the Quran?

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u/redfirearne Jan 25 '23

Okay, let me read it.

“If the enemy is inclined towards peace, make peace with them.” [8:61]

“And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.” [2:190]

I'm having quite the difficulty finding some verses about "killing innocent non-believers" can you please point to a specific verse(s)?

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u/Schnitzel-1 Jan 26 '23

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

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u/Schnitzel-1 Jan 26 '23

It’s funny how you quote 2:190 as if it’s calling for peace when it’s basically a call to arms for Muslims to get together with other Muslims, „those who fight with you“, and, if you read one verse more, 2:191, which I quoted, kill non believers.

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u/endorphin-neuron Jan 25 '23

Source: the Quran, as I already said that but you didn't read.

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u/Conchobar_the_nude Jan 25 '23

Found one of the relevant sections, for anyone interested in the actual text:

"That certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently. And behold, if it be true and certain that such an abomination has been done among you, you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword."

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u/redfirearne Jan 25 '23

My good sir, I hope you know the distinction between Bible and Quran, but judging by this comment, you do not. It's very funny to me that people upvoted this without even checking, but hey, just your average day in Reddit where people don't care twice about the source. You could have said something like "So you shall slain every unbeliever, for they are transgressors" or some made up verse like this and people would believe you anyway. I'll still wait for "one of the" relevant sections.

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u/redfirearne Jan 25 '23

I did read, but I'm sure even in a high school essay or a research you need to give the page & sentence with quotes instead of just saying "This research say this and that." If you are not able to provide an actual quotation or page/verse then you have no source. But of course, you don't have a source, and just believing what the media tells you, just your average Redditor.

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u/Conchobar_the_nude Jan 25 '23

Source? Trust me bro?

Here's a section talking about destroying whole cities if nonbelievers live there.

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u/redfirearne Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

This is Bible, not Quran. They are different books :)

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u/CappinPeanut Jan 25 '23

I kinda doubt lighting any book on fire and throwing it in the street is legal, but, it’s definitely way more legal than flipping someone’s car over.

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u/YceiLikeAudis Jan 25 '23

Don't forget attempting to do so on a highway and putting innocents at risk.

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u/fucktheccp2021 Jan 25 '23

In their religion, anyone who isn't a Muslim is not considered "innocent". So in their minds, this is OK to do.

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u/IrelandDzair Jan 25 '23

Ah, have you read the Qu’ran? Bet you haven’t. Where’s that quote in it? Because Surah Al Kafiruun very clearly says disbelievers should be allowed to go their own way, and that is unquestionably in the Qu’ran.

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u/Nihlathak_ Jan 25 '23 • Take My Energy

While that might be true, actions and words are two different things. Doesnt matter What the book says when so many act like they do.

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u/Chair_Toaster Jan 25 '23

What is the penalty for apostasy?

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

^ I read this in Richard Dawkins’ voice

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u/LilKirkoChainz Jan 25 '23

All to defend a fictional book that has done nothing but contribute the backwards ideologies that have set humankind back a thousand years when it comes to anything related to science. Not to mention the oppression woman have to deal with thanks to the Quran.

But nah let's chase down a guy an attempt to kill him.

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u/HagridsHairyButthole Jan 25 '23

Who wasn’t innocent in this situation?

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u/Apostastrophe Jan 25 '23

Ironically, burning one is one of the ways it’s acceptable in Islam to dispose of a Quran.

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u/MedicateForTwo Jan 25 '23

I mean, you're supposed to burn old flags too. But if someone burned an American flag in the middle of the streets and their car got flipped, this would be put into instant karma instead of public freakout.

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u/MrGrach Jan 25 '23

But if someone burned an American flag in the middle of the streets and their car got flipped, this would be put into instant karma instead of public freakout.

Why? Burning the american flag is legal because of the first amendment, no?

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u/MedicateForTwo Jan 25 '23

Go test that theory out if you honestly believe it's true.

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u/WEsellFAKEdoors Jan 25 '23

Rage against the machine did it all the time people loved it.

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u/Grandfunk14 Jan 25 '23

And about every Vietnam war protest....

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u/Background-Baby-2870 Jan 25 '23

the diff is rage didnt throw a burning flag out a moving vehicle. Im okay with flag burning and even quran burning as demonstrations but youre a huge asshole if you throw a burning object out a moving vehicle or set shit on fire out in public and just leave. Like, if this wasnt the quran and it was just a stack of, say, Hunger Games, everyone would consider the guy a huge douche as well. Obv, the women are horrible people but tbh i wouldnt invite him to my dinner table either.

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u/ReturnOfZarathustra Jan 25 '23

this would be put into instant karma instead of public freakout.

I challenge you to find an instantkarma flag burning video.

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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

First of all, thank you for the idea, I'm going to become a tiktok millionaire getting reactions from Texans while we burn the flag

Secondly, Colin Kapernick simply kneeling was enough to make the Republicans lose their shit

Third, Here you go

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u/ReturnOfZarathustra Jan 25 '23

Reddit is not very reflective of Republican ideals if you havent noticed.

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u/BonnieMcMurray Jan 25 '23

That link isn't from r/instantkarma though

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u/ExistentialTenant Jan 25 '23

I mean, you're supposed to burn old flags too. But if someone burned an American flag in the middle of the streets and their car got flipped, this would be put into instant karma instead of public freakout.

That is utter bullshit.

Most Americans -- and most definitely the courts too -- would not find attempted murder a reasonable response to burning a flag.

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u/BonnieMcMurray Jan 25 '23

By itself, flipping someone's car would not be considered attempted murder. You need more evidence to prove that.

/lawyer

People on Reddit have such a bizarrely broad opinion of what attempted murder is sometimes!

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u/take_care_a_ya_shooz Jan 25 '23

People on Reddit have such a bizarrely broad opinion of what attempted murder is sometimes!

Some of the reactions in this sub would make you think that slapping someone for saying a racial slur means you should do hard time in prison.

People do far worse than this (which is dangerous and illegal) and don't get close to an attempted murder charge.

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u/BonnieMcMurray Jan 25 '23

Oh yay! Random, insecure bigotry!

*yawn*

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u/MattSpokeLoud Jan 25 '23

There's a whole process about retiring a Quaran, so just tossing it in a campfire wouldn't do.

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u/Joliet_Jake_Blues Jan 25 '23

Same with the American flag, but burn one in front of a Republican and they'll go Islamic on your ass

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u/SellaraAB Jan 25 '23

Makes me wonder if their religious fanatics don’t even read it in the same way that fanatical evangelicals have no idea what’s in the Bible.

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u/Miserable_Man Jan 25 '23

Even if it wasn't burning scriptures should still be legal.

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u/Cheekclapped Jan 25 '23

What law does it break?

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u/CappinPeanut Jan 25 '23

Well, littering at the very least. Do… you think it’s legal light a book on fire and throw it in the street? I’m pretty sure it’s not.

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u/Rodulv Jan 25 '23

Source? As far as I can find, the very most they'd be "punished" to do would be to clean up after themselves.

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u/CappinPeanut Jan 25 '23

Are you really going to make me go look up littering laws in Norway? Littering is illegal everywhere. I’m not saying they should be sent to the gulag, I just said littering is illegal and nowhere near as bad as trying to flip someone’s car.

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u/BonnieMcMurray Jan 25 '23

Disorderly conduct. Breach of the peace. Littering.

Also, since non-verbal expression can be protected by free speech laws, one could argue that its possible to criminalize non-verbal expression under the various exceptions to free speech laws - in this case, the "fighting words" doctrine.

(Important caveat: I'm speaking from a US perspective and this didn't take place in the US.)

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u/Cheekclapped Jan 25 '23

But it's Norway.

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u/Nixter295 Jan 25 '23

Well it’s kinda of legal, it goes as freedom of speech in Norway. There has been huge protest against this. But the Norwegian police defend those that burn the book because it’s their right as it’s freedom of speech.

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u/SuperiorZexcess Jan 25 '23

Nah, legal freedom of expression.

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u/BaggyOz Jan 25 '23

The act of burning a book is generally a legal act, but setting an uncontained fire in a public place, leaving it unattended, and not cleaning up after yourself are all things that could be considered summary offences in most jurisdictions in the developed world.

Spray painting a message on the street is an act of expression, it's still considered graffiti.

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u/Rodulv Jan 25 '23

IANAL, but as far as I can tell the most the law says about it is (as long as it's not dangerous) to clean it up. If the book burned up without any danger or harm, then no punishment.

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u/SuperiorZexcess Jan 25 '23

Yeah, and technically throwing a cigarette bun is also a crime. Nuance, smartass.

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u/BaggyOz Jan 25 '23

Yes, that is a crime and I'm fully in favour of the police fining cunts who can't dispose of them properly.

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u/Background-Baby-2870 Jan 25 '23

i dont know how you thought "but cigarette butts" is a good counter to /u/BaggyOz 's comment or how that even supports your own argument lol wow. so you agree that leaving burning objects without putting it out is a crime and thats generally regarded as a dick move?

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u/EthoC Jan 25 '23

No, it's called "Disturbing the peace".

"a crime generally defined as the unsettling of proper order in a public space through one's actions."

Freedom of speech/expression isn't limitless

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u/Rodulv Jan 25 '23

This would not be a case of disturbing the peace, no.

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u/EthoC Jan 25 '23

How do you think the police would react if they saw you drive by in a street with lots of pedestrian with something burning out of your window?

Put it to test if you want.

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u/Rodulv Jan 25 '23

These book burnings have at multiple times been protected from violence from counter-protesters by the police, without being arrested for burning books.

You seem to be under some illusion that I want to do this or support people doing this. I don't. I can just ask a police officer or lawyer if I wanted to.

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u/EthoC Jan 25 '23

There is a difference between

  • Organising an event with knowledge of the city (hence the presence of a counter protest and planned police protection).

  • Spontaneously burning something out of the window of your car.

This isn't about the book anymore. That guy is literally driving meters away from bystanders with something burning out of his window. I don't understand how you can still put that to doubt.

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u/Rodulv Jan 25 '23

I don't understand how you can still put that to doubt.

Put what to doubt? That it's a different situation? Sure. It's even less likely to be a disturbance of the peace. They're driving away from the people they've antagonized.

As for holding something that's burning out of the window of a car? I can't find anything that says it's not. You're allowed (in almost all cases) to hold cigarettes and torches out of the window of cars, so I don't really see why a book would be different.

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Organising an event with knowledge of the city

Knowledge != asking for permission.

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u/SoIJustBuyANewOne Jan 25 '23

Littering is not a legal form of expression lol

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u/yourenotgonalikeit Jan 25 '23

Is there such thing as a crime that's "more legal" than another crime?

There are different levels of seriousness of crimes and levels of punishment for crimes, but littering is not more legal than murder. They're both 100% illegal.

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u/Xlaag Jan 25 '23

No you’re correct both are illegal regardless but

Littering < Attempted Murder

That’s why the punishment for littering is $50 fine not hanging.

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u/headpatkelly Jan 25 '23

there's a bunch of ways that something could be considered "more legal" in a colloquial sense. littering receives a far less severe penalty. it's less strictly enforced. it's legal in more areas. etc.

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u/herb0026 Jan 25 '23

Hmmm he burned a book? Time for attempted fucking murder.

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u/DanskJeavlar Jan 25 '23

Could possibly go under disorderly conduct

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u/IBFictitious Jan 25 '23

They could get charged with having an fire/flaming object in a public space without permission (campfires, special events etc), which is considered a “misdemeanor”.

Flipping the car on the other hand could be seen as attempted murder.

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u/Tornado18Mustafa Jan 25 '23

If someone would burn an LGBT flag, for example, it would be labelled as a hate crime.

If someone would burn an Israeli flag, for example, it would be labelled as antisemitic.

On the other hand, if someone would burn a Quran, it would be labelled as free speech.

This hypocrisy and double standards have to stop.

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u/Shuoh Jan 25 '23

who's labelling these? you?

brainwashed strawmanning zealot rat

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

That’s quite literally not a hate crime

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u/motodup Jan 25 '23

Could be considered a minor hate crime. This is a deliberate act of racism/religious attack. No one was hurt and no property damaged, so it's not as bad as say, tagging swastikas on a synagogue, but it's still clearly an intentional affront.

Anyway I don't know the laws, and obviously the women were way out of line, but I wouldnt be surprised if this was actually illegal.

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u/Here-Is-TheEnd Jan 25 '23

Yeah the keep owner should catch a couple of charges of his own, not just the women who chased his off the road.

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u/Kartaled Jan 25 '23

Idk holding an object in flames out of the window of a driving vehicle doesn’t seem really legal to me either

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u/Porrick Jan 25 '23

Maybe not in places like California that will catch fire if you look at it funny, but in the soggier places of the world it's not such a big deal.

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u/crudedrawer Jan 25 '23

Please don't come west of the rockies to make points with fire.

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u/philly1750 Jan 25 '23

I bet people would have no problem if it was a Bible

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u/fisherc2 Jan 25 '23

As a American Christian I can confirm I would probably roll my eyes and keep walking.

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u/philly1750 Jan 25 '23

I wouldn't make a big scene but I wouldn't be happy either like most people on here

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u/fisherc2 Jan 25 '23

You think Christians are afraid to go to cities?

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u/fisherc2 Jan 25 '23

Wow. Okay

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u/21Rollie Jan 25 '23

Ooh boy, wait till you find out there are a bunch of churches in cities lol. Plus the Christian denominations are almost different enough to be separate religions. Evangelicals and Mormons are a world away from other Protestants who are very different from Catholics.

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u/NotAmericanMate Jan 25 '23

But how would whinging little bitches like /r/dazraf get his "look at me in special" points if you do that?

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u/FUMFVR Jan 25 '23

Go burn a Bible in different areas of the US and report back.

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u/NoShameInternets Jan 25 '23

I mean... no. Christians get riled up over ridiculous shit too. Coach told he can't lead a prayer for his team? Outrage, national news. Starbucks cup the wrong color? Outrage, national news.

I'm not saying they're flipping cars, but "no problem"? Come on.

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u/thingrottenindenmark Jan 25 '23

Outrage and national news is a wee bit different than vehicular assault.

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u/NoShameInternets Jan 25 '23

Guy said “no problem”. I called him out on it.

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u/thingrottenindenmark Jan 25 '23

I'm fine with that.

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u/philly1750 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 26 '23

No my question is how come it's ok to mock and criticize the Christian religion yet God forbid anyone says something about the Jewish or Muslim religion (which is just as wrong)

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u/MackenziePace Jan 25 '23

All the abrahamic religions should be mocked

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u/NoShameInternets Jan 25 '23

I’ll assume you’re talking about US or Euro countries. Christians vastly outnumber everyone else here, so it’s “punching up” to mock Christians while “punching down” to mock other religions. Christians don’t give a fuck - they literally run these countries. If a Christian’s feelings get hurt by some mean atheist in the street, all they have to do is pull out a dollar bill to remember how good they have it - In God We Trust.

It’s also the difference between one person mocking 100 and 100 mocking one. Both of those two things are more dangerous for the one.

Either way, I challenge you to go somewhere in the Bible Belt and burn a Bible. See how that works out for you.

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u/hertzoj Jan 25 '23

please, elaborate

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u/NoShameInternets Jan 25 '23

I assume he's talking about the "Jews run the world from the shadows (and also have Space Lasers)" conspiracy theory, which I think says all you need to know.

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u/hertzoj Jan 25 '23

i know, i just wanted to see him dance around his words

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u/Noob_DM Jan 25 '23

*offer not available everywhere

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u/JohnStamosAsABear Jan 25 '23

Christians freak out over the dumbest shit all the time. They recently tried burning down the satanic temple in Salem.

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u/cinred Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

That's because Christians secretly know that their religion is kinda made up. Islam is da real deal, tho. Totes legit.

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u/philly1750 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

The fuck are you even talking about. I can't believe people are this stupid. You guys preach for inclusion and tolerance yet you have 0 problems shitting on the Christian religion

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u/ThrowawayQuinlan Jan 25 '23

Sarcasm went over your head

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u/DiabloAcosta Jan 25 '23

Are you "people" would you care?

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u/philly1750 Jan 25 '23

Yes I would care if someone were burning a bible

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u/NicJitsu Jan 25 '23

Then you need to get your priorities straight. Your imaginary man in the sky has no issue letting children starve and women be raped so I don't think he would care about his little book being burned as much as you do. Wake up.

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u/NicJitsu Jan 25 '23

not tolerating someone's religion has absolutely nothing to do with race. I dont know what point you think you're making here but it certainly doesn't counter my point that your imaginary man doesn't give a shit about human suffering so he likely wouldn't give a shit about burning a book.

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u/cinred Jan 25 '23

And this concludes our classe on the dangers of moral relativism.

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u/nathsnowy Jan 25 '23

burning a quran is actually a respectful thing to do with it lmao

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u/yopro101 Jan 25 '23

It’s probably very context sensitive. Burning a US flag for shits and giggles is seen as disrespectful, but burning it in a campfire in a respectful manner is how you’re supposed to retire it

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u/depressionbutbetter Jan 25 '23

Please let's end it here. Nothing is more obnoxious than a reddit comment thread about flag code.

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u/nighthawk911 Jan 25 '23

Cant end it, unless you can somehow take away the 180 upvotes saying that burning the Quran is somehow a good thing in this context.

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u/lindstrompt Jan 25 '23

Burning a fairytale book that tells you to kill other humans just because of their nonbelief in said fairytale is a good thing.

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u/Fit-Scientist7138 Jan 25 '23

It’s a good thing in any context tbh

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u/Terr_ Jan 25 '23

Depending on the campfire, it might get worse, with... *whispers* Tree Law.

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u/Cheekclapped Jan 25 '23

Fuck the flag and fuck the Quran

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u/captainmcfuckface Jan 25 '23

burning our own flag is a protected right and exactly what makes us worth defending despite all our flaws

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u/yopro101 Jan 25 '23

Being a protected right isn’t the same as being disrespectful. I can fire you for any reason I want in many states, that’s a protected right. Doesn’t mean I’m not being a dick

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u/captainmcfuckface Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

no one said such a thing. But here I am literally saying “America is worth defending” BECAUSE you have freedom to burn a symbol and you interpret that as some attack.

Edit: And idiots down vote this as well.

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u/Appropriate_Tear_711 Jan 25 '23

You seem to be on the same page as the carflippers

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u/captainmcfuckface Jan 25 '23

how? Fucking how?! Explain it to me like I’m five when I say the right to protest and burn a symbol is sacred. How in the name of ever lasting fuck is that siding with those who represent literally 100% the opposite of that?!

Grow a brain

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u/JohnWangDoe Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Burning a flag is protected under 1st amendment.

Texas vs Johnson - 5v4 Supreme Court Ruling

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u/yopro101 Jan 25 '23

Didn’t say it was illegal, I said it’s disrespectful

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u/DotardKombucha Jan 25 '23

That's very subjective. I think burning a flag means very little, I'd have no issue burning one from any country.

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u/yopro101 Jan 25 '23

Some people think burning a Quran isn’t disrespectful, some do. Some people think burning the flag is disrespectful, you don’t. Doesn’t affect my point

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u/Ttoctam Jan 25 '23

So you, a person who doesn't much value flags doesn't mind disrespect of a flag. Neat. Please keep us updated on more topics you have no interest or stake in. It's really important we all hear your opinion of "I don't care" about everything you stumble upon and don't care about.

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u/DotardKombucha Jan 25 '23

Lol so bitter, I'm just saying there is no inherit value to a flag of a nation. You can burn it without assuming it's disrespectful to whatever. Send me your email and I'll keep you updated for sure sweetie 😘

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u/Ttoctam Jan 25 '23

There is no inherent value in anything. Value is a subjective measurement of meaning people put on things. The 'value' of the flag in this instance is how much people care, and yeah some people care so it does have 'value' to them and is thus valuable.

I couldn't give a shit about flag burning, but it'd be pretty dense and self centred of me to decide that means it means nothing to anyone.

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u/DotardKombucha Jan 25 '23

You seem like you give a shit, and I think it's cute you do. I think you wouldn't have responded otherwise.

So you agree the respect of a flag or the feeling of disrespect from watching a nation's flag burn is based on this subjective value right?

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u/southpaw650 Jan 25 '23

I dont really care about cars so it doesnt bother me when people destroy cars for shits and giggles

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u/DotardKombucha Jan 25 '23

I'll argue a car has more value to someone who needs it, you can only use a flag for silly worshiping or whatever stuff people who like flags do with them.

I'll go to a demolition derby any day though.

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u/lonzee18 Jan 25 '23

Flag Codes exist

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u/captainmcfuckface Jan 25 '23

so does the first amendment

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u/DotardKombucha Jan 25 '23

Great point!

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u/captainmcfuckface Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

upvote. You need 21 more as of this comment

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u/pullacatengo Jan 25 '23

Wild that you're so downvoted in the same thread agreeing that getting all hurt about perceived "disrespect" is a problem. Also I don't understand people that simp for a flag.

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u/MundaneFacts Jan 25 '23

That's because it's irrelevant. It's a thread about respect, and he is talking about law.

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u/Rugaru985 Jan 25 '23

I don’t think using an example from us is defaultism.

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u/DiabloAcosta Jan 25 '23

And you are correct

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u/Prestigious-HogBoss Jan 25 '23

Is one of the corrects ways to disposse it but has to be in a respectful way. I think I the same with the Bible and other religious items.

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u/samantro Jan 25 '23

Say buddy, what kinda car you drive?

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u/zebra_extremely Jan 25 '23 • hehehehe

Upside-down one, why do you ask?

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u/I-am-in-Agreement Jan 25 '23

See hello to your new upright car then.

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u/Ttoctam Jan 25 '23

Yeah, in a very specific context. If I buy a fresh Quran and walk over to a mosque with a video camera, harass a bunch of worshipers and then set it ablaze, I'm not gonna expect applause for my deeply respected deed.

This is such an obviously disingenuous comment. Sure have your qualms with the religion, I'm not a big fan of any of the Abrahamic faiths. But pulling the "uh technically you guys aren't allowed to be mad at this because of this loophole" is childish at best.

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u/FUMFVR Jan 25 '23

It's hard to tell if people are being genuine with their arguments or not.

If this was in Egypt and a Muslim was going by a Coptic Church burning a Bible, it might start a riot. Because the symbolic action is designed to incite.

Plenty of those actions aren't protected by the First Amendment and likely whatever speech law Norway has.

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u/VeinySausages Jan 25 '23

Well, yeah, it's a book of teachings from a very immoral person on many fronts.

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u/suffertunity Jan 25 '23

But both are what I'd term "extremist crazy asshole behavior"

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u/unlocomqx Jan 25 '23

We burn the Quran to destroy old or broken copies. So it's legal.

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u/asdf346 Jan 25 '23

Who cares about the legality , both cunt moves one vastly more dangerous and reckless

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u/Leimon-Sherk Jan 25 '23

eh, pretty sure most area's have regulations on where and under what conditions you can burn trash.

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u/DeathCon_and_Beyond Jan 25 '23

Send location

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u/Leimon-Sherk Jan 25 '23

why, so you can prove how 'peaceful' of a religion Islam is?

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u/anicecacaodemon Jan 25 '23

This is GLA postal services and we have a package for you.

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u/WpgMBNews Jan 25 '23

Sure, just like I legally have the right to drive into any neighbourhood shouting the N word and flipping people off .... but free speech doesn't protect you from jerks with a weapon.

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u/OktayOe Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Edit: I'm just trying to answer a question. Why would you people downvote me ? Just because it doesn't fit to what YOU think it's still not right to burn someone's holy book. It is provocative and unnecessary as fuck. You people tend to like aggression and war when you sit behind your phones in security.

Like someone else already wrote :

Is burning a book against the law?

Yes, potentially in a number of ways:

Hate crime laws may criminalize burning religious texts in this way (as in, in a manner deliberately intended to offend and invite a violent response).

Burning anything provocatively in public can be seen as disorderly conduct, or a breach of the peace.

Setting fire to stuff and dropping it in the street is, at the very least, littering.

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u/Smile_Space Jan 25 '23

I mean, you can make a pretty strong argument that the book burning is a religion-driven hate crime too.

Basically ESH.

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u/dengar_hennessy Jan 25 '23

Being an asshole isn't a hate crime. He didn't cause anyone physical harm. I don't excuse him but he's just being an asshole. You can't run him off the road or cut his head off for being an asshole

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u/Smile_Space Jan 25 '23

Yeah, in the eyes of the vast majority of western governments burning a holy book in front of a group of people that idolize that book is a hate crime. In Norway specifically this act is punishable by a hefty fine and up to 6 months in prison.

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u/dengar_hennessy Jan 25 '23

Then let the guy get arrested. Is vigilante justice allowed in Norway?

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u/Smile_Space Jan 25 '23

I didn't say anything about what the girls did wasnt wrong did I? Get off your high horse dude. ESH for a reason

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u/dengar_hennessy Jan 25 '23

And I'm saying it's not ESH. I'm disagreeing with you.

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