r/PublicFreakout • u/ImYourRealDadHey • Jan 24 '23

2 lady’s flipping a guys car after he burnt the Quran Repost 😔

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u/Porrick Jan 25 '23

Every country has at least a couple of cunts. When cunts of opposite polarity encounter one another, shit like this occurs.

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u/Foco_cholo Jan 25 '23

Religion really brings out the cunt in people

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u/TommyTinklebottom Jan 25 '23

Dogmatic fanaticism to be more specific. You see it with sports teams and social/political ideologies too.

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u/Rigel_The_16th Jan 25 '23

Tribalism of any kind. Look at the stupid shit ppl do for their political tribe.

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u/pm0me0yiff Jan 25 '23

Yeah, but religion is a special stupid kind of tribalism. On top of all the tribalist stuff, you get "trust what your authority tells you unconditionally", "asking questions or doubting yourself or what you've been told is morally wrong", "everybody outside our religion is literally evil incarnate", "everybody outside of our religion deserves death and torture", and "if you sacrifice yourself in the fight against the others, you'll be rewarded in the afterlife".

That's stuff you don't usually get in other flavors of tribalism, and that's what makes religion especially concerning.

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u/riskable Jan 25 '23

Don't forget that religion invented indoctrination!

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u/phunkdungus Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

This only rings true to extremist expressions of a few religions (like Abrahamic ones) and is incredibly generalizing. You’ve presented a deeply nuanced and vague phenomena by hand-picking its worst, and by no means universal, qualities. Religions are as multidimentional as any cultural structure, and just as often play a regulatory and peace-providing role as they do a destabilizing and corrupt one.

I’d like to ask you to define religion in a way that separates it from something like nationalism or capitalism. It’s a near impossible task. If «the stuff» you mentioned doesn’t appear in «other flavors of tribalism» I’d like you to explain world wars.

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u/resinstein Jan 25 '23

Don’t all forms of Christianity believe in the Old Testament? People say “Abrahamic religions” as if that negates that fact. They are still worshipping the same evil god, it’s just that modern Christians like to pretend the part about Jesus somehow absolves god from responsibility of how he used to behave.

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u/phunkdungus Jan 25 '23

By Abrahamic religions I am mainly referring to Judaism, Christianity and Islam (in other words, what we mainly consider «religion» in the west), all of which believe in Abraham. So no, I am not trying «negate» anything. I am pointing out the fact that there exists a plethora of religions in the world and they seem to describe the entire phenomena as something that would only describe extremist expressions of Abrahamic religions.

My point is that the comment I replied to (and yours, to an even larger degree) seems to completely disgregard the thousands of religions in this world and the variety within them. It’s not black and white.

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u/Rigel_The_16th Jan 25 '23

And the people who practice it all believe it to different extents. Also, their belief is that God is good and evil comes from elsewhere. This is what leads to the hard question of Christianity.

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u/Ok-Calendar9350 Jan 25 '23

I disagree. Religion taken to an extreme is what you're describing, which applies to politics at an extreme just as well. Look at the U.S and its current far right problem. There are religious people who won't stone you for not following their beliefs, just like there are political people who don't think the other side is out to destroy their country.

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u/silentninja79 Jan 25 '23

Agreed especially in the US..!

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u/GrilledSandwiches Jan 25 '23

I don't personally care about anybody's personal protests as a form of freedom of speech, so long as it's not bringing harm to another person.

But it makes me think about someone burning a flag, vs someone burning a bible. Not only that, flag burners are usually just kind of setting up in a spot and making their protest to a general audience. But these guys going around burning the Quran seem to be specifically trying to target people with their protest and upset them.

I am not in the least bit shocked they got the reaction they were seeking.

If you did that with a bible in America I would expect death threats and violence to ensue(Not saying it should ensue, just that it's the general response I would expect.).

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u/TommyTinklebottom Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Maybe them provoking this reaction is bringing attention to the problem? If so does it make the provocation justified if it moves us socially as a whole further away from reacting violently in the name of certain firmly held beliefs?

I'm not saying this is an exact comparison but what if a black person in a racist neighborhood sat in a white only diner to provoke their reaction? That's provocation but it's purpose is to draw attention to a problem. Know what I mean? I'm already seeing though that as long as that religious group isn't oppressive they're free to believe it and should probably be left unprovoked cause then the "protestor's" intent seems to be more malicious.

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u/GrilledSandwiches Jan 25 '23

Maybe. Depends on the setting I suppose.

If you're demonstrating to a radical or extremist group that has fanatical beliefs and is actively oppressing people(like in the civil rights situation you laid out), then you might bring attention to a real problem in that way.

But if you're going around doing it to people just normally living their lives and having their own beliefs while not bothering anybody and intentionally targeting them in such a way as to provoke them, then you're just kind of being an asshole.

But hey, everybody has the right to be an asshole. Just don't expect there to NEVER be any kind of consequence for being one if you(they) are going to be that persistent about it.

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u/TommyTinklebottom Jan 25 '23

Yeah, there's a line somewhere between provocation to protest and just plain harassment.

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u/Darth_JarJar300 Jan 25 '23

Yeah but religion makes good people act like this too that's the problem, it's not just the assholes.

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u/TommyTinklebottom Jan 25 '23

Not all religious people are assholes. The common factor across groups where things seem to reach a fever pitch and then inevitable escalation to violence is some undying adherence and defense of a faction, ideology, or belief.

It's kind of like the iterated version of prisoners dilemma in game theory, once you reach a tit for tat stage of non-cooperation you're kind of fucked.

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u/Darth_JarJar300 Jan 25 '23

No, not all religious people are assholes. But in other groups of people only the assholes act like assholes, while religion makes some of the good ones act like assholes too.

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u/SnooLemons7779 Jan 25 '23

If they act like assholes, they’re not the good ones.

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u/Kayshin Jan 25 '23

If i apply the same argument to something else, say... racism (just because it is an easy topic to compare it to). If i hang around with racists, actively enable racists, cheer racists on and am an official member of a racist organisation.... Don't you think there is a chance that I also am not that nice and good a person?

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u/Dcethe Jan 25 '23

Nah an accurate representation would be if you call other people racial slurs, then cry about it on the internet when other people assault you.

Justifiable? no. but you provoke a reaction and got one.

hell I don't like muslims and even I wouldn't taunt them wasting my time burning their holy book just to be a complete asshole.

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u/qlz19 Jan 25 '23

Yeah, but it’s mostly religion at the root of all evil.

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u/StefanL88 Jan 25 '23

I doubt the book burners here subscribe to dogmatic fanaticism and they still managed to be cunts.

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u/TommyTinklebottom Jan 25 '23

No one said all cunts are religious/dogmatic fanatics nor was it implied.

That's like someone saying drinking alcohol brings the shitty driver out of ppl and replying that you doubt that near sighted elderly lady running someone over with her car was drunk. It's like, yeah she's a bad driver for a different reason.

Thing about this situation is without the fanatical people this would have been a pretty innocuous event, just a book being burnt. It wasn't until D.F. got involved that the situation was elevated to threat of life and limb.

I also dont know the book burners motives from the video, all I have is conjecture.

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u/Sink_Pee_Gang Jan 25 '23

It's impossible to tell from this video, but public denunciation of a primarily immigrant religion in such a provocative way could definitely be caused by dogmatic fanaticism, such as nationalism.

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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka Jan 25 '23

Yeeah. There's enough assholes in the world and religion ain't helping.

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u/Become_The_Villain Jan 25 '23

Tbf ... Religion is actively helping create the assholes.

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u/Yeeaahboiiiiiiiiii Jan 25 '23

It also emboldens the assholes to do horrible stuff. For every person religion has helped and gave purpose, it’s fucked over another 25.

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u/Biff_Wesker Jan 25 '23

Religion is for people who can't comprehend not existing after death. Whatever gets them through the day I guess.

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u/blusteryflatus Jan 25 '23

Not just that. Religion is for the feeble minded who need fairy tales to be able to comprehend how the world functions.

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u/riskable Jan 25 '23

Religion is for the feeble minded who need fairy tales to be able to comprehend how the world functions.

This is completely untrue and unfair! Religion is also for grifters and scam artists who need those other people to make a living.

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u/AndySocial88 Jan 25 '23

Hey now, us again agnostics and nonthiests don't burn shit down for anything that happens after death either. There's a ton of causes to burn shit down right now we don't know who to trust in general though.

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u/yungsqualla Jan 25 '23

For real man. Why can't we just be happy we're here, who gives a shit what comes after?

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u/PetakIsMyName Jan 25 '23

Keep in mind that religion is designed to scare you into submission. The degree of indoctrination is a huge factor. Some cultures takes their heritage much more seriously than others. Jehovas Witnesses are exiled by their own families if they chose to not believe.

In my opinion your answer is too simple for such a complex issue.

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u/HanWolo Jan 25 '23

Whatever gets them through the day I guess.

You're saying this as if it's not a genuinely difficult question for a very meaningful portion of humanity. People have struggled with a reason for living for thousands of years and religion gives that answer to billions of people.

For all the bad it's done, it has done immeasurable amounts of good as well. Edgy atheists anonymously puking out one liners don't come off as enlightened they come off as lonely.

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u/Reefdag Jan 25 '23

The good does not excuse the bad

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u/CancerPiss Jan 25 '23

Do animals need a reason to live?

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u/kingthickums Jan 25 '23

Mormons blow

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u/jimmycarr1 Jan 25 '23

Religion doesn't give an 'answer'

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u/claireapple Jan 25 '23

What immeasurable good has it done?

Religion exists to control the masses and exert power over nations. It is an easy way to get people to follow a set of rules and believe in things because the other answer of I don't know or you will never know is not good enough to them. To follow religion is to abandon critical thinking, which to me is to abandon what it means to be human.

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u/Logical-Gas8026 Jan 25 '23

Preserved a shit ton of literacy and knowledge west of the Eurasian steppe after the Fall of Rome for about a millennia for one.

We still have Aristotle, for example, thanks to the preservation of his work first in the Islamic Caliphates and then via his reimportation into Christian monastery’s into the West. Lindisfarne near where I live is real important for the history of literacy in England because of the monastery that used to be there.

The oldest extant copy of one of the great pieces of classical history (Alexander the Greats conquests maybe?) is a 9th century monks transcription.

There’s also a surprising amount of crossover between religious establishments and modern science (I’m using the term modern in the historical era sense). Ever heard of the big bang theory? Thanks George’s Lemaitre, Roman Catholic Priest. A shit ton of the early paleotologists were English vicars. Newton was a smart guy I hear, and he was looking for laws because he believed in a lawgiver.

All of which should go to show: critical thinking being incompatible with religion is bollocks and it has done some pretty good stuff alongside some undoubtedly awful. Source: history.

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u/Kayshin Jan 25 '23

Preserved a lot of knowledge? The same guys that were book burning anything that would "oppose" their religious nonsense? Fuck off.

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u/zombiebirch Jan 25 '23

This is the classic monty python "What good have X ever done to us?"

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u/EddPWP Jan 25 '23

created colleges and pushed for scientific breakthroughs in the last 1000 years than anyone else

its a historical fact that christianity in europe funded the arts and the sciences putting thousands throught colleges

some of the greatest minds in history have had religious backrounds

your opinion is not only wrong but very ignorant

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u/Kayshin Jan 25 '23

religion gives that answer to billions of people.

It's not an answer tho. Not even remotely.

For all the bad it's done, it has done immeasurable amounts of good as well. Edgy atheists anonymously puking out one liners don't come off as enlightened they come off as lonely.

"Hey, I am Hitler! I also funded some good ideas so that's cool right?" This is your argument.

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u/erection_specialist Jan 25 '23

it's fucked over another 25

In the case if the Catholic church, quite literally

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u/silverdice22 Jan 25 '23

Pssh that number is waaay... higher. Remember crusades?

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u/remakeprox Jan 25 '23

Gods the anti-religion statements you find on reddit are actually insane. If you think religion hurts more people than it helps, you're really ignorant.
Im not a religious person, nor do I think anyone is in the right in this video, but religion has become as big as it is for a reason. Millions of people are religious, just because you dont see the good posted on reddit doesnt mean there isnt any.

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u/Rattlecruiser Jan 25 '23

Religion has become big through aggressive missionizing, spreading fear of going to hell, social pressure by excluding non-believers. And warfare.

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u/claireapple Jan 25 '23

I mean you act like being brainwashed is a good thing...

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u/VegemiteAnalLube Jan 25 '23

The Crusades never ended.

It's all still christian cunts vs muslim cunts with a bunch of jew cunts egging them both on.

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u/Become_The_Villain Jan 25 '23

Don't forget the Hindu cunts sitting off stage while also being a bunch of cunts.

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u/Kayshin Jan 25 '23

As long as we can agree that they are ALL cunts.

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u/Suddenly_Something Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Religion has caused almost every major war and conflict basically since the beginning of humans. It's always the underlying cause.

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u/riskable Jan 25 '23

Nah, it's more like religion is the excuse for loads of wars, genocides, mass rape/kidnapping, etc. Religious people are just a flock that are trained from an early age to trust authority and avoid critical thinking. So they're easy for authorities to take advantage of.

Voltaire said it best, "those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

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u/From_the_Underground Jan 25 '23

How were WW1 and WW2 caused by religion?

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u/Imagine-Summer Jan 25 '23

Religion has caused almost every major war and conflict basically since the beginning of humans.

Uh not really, but I'm sure you'll provide source/proof for that claim.

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u/OptimusNegligible Jan 25 '23

Let's be honest. Religion never caused a war, but it's sure as heck been used as an excuse. People have exploited religions to justify war.

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u/Suddenly_Something Jan 25 '23

Is there a difference?

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u/OptimusNegligible Jan 25 '23

Of course, but the outcome is the same so I guess it doesn't matter.

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u/Suddenly_Something Jan 25 '23

If the cause is A and the excuse is B every single time then maybe it's time to start combining the two. It's not fair but then there hasn't been much out of B to combat A.

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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Jan 25 '23

a very specific religion. if you went around burning the bible in norway you would get some angry people but not like this

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u/BronzeAgeSkyWizard Jan 25 '23

Let's not pretend that it isn't all Abrahamic religions that are inherently violent. Hell, Yahweh was the fucking god of war until he was elevated by the early polytheistic Jews to be the "one true god".

Any large cult that worships a sadistic, child-murdering, rapist piece of shit is bound to have violent members. Just depends on where you are in the world and which flavor of Abrahamic nonsense you were indoctrinated with.

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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Jan 25 '23

yes but you are being disingenuous if you are pretending that now, in 2023, there isnt one of the 3 abrahamic religions causing far and above more violence in many regions over the others.

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u/science_and_beer Jan 25 '23

The fact that Islamic violence is currently impacting a few Western European countries is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It’s all the same disease. I’m probably biased coming from an American perspective, seeing what a small minority of Christians are successfully doing to this country, but IMO it’s all just different flavors of trash being forced on people who want nothing to do with it

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u/Cloud_Chamber Jan 25 '23

Religion does help people, those people don’t show up in viral videos though

I’m non-religious btw

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u/SheLikesMySparks Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Wait aren't the book burners being cunts as well? This falls into the category of they have the legal right to burn it because being an asshole isn't illegal, but they're still being assholes.

Hoping for a world without religion is a naive thing to do and you're just going to be angry your whole life about it then die someday and there will still be religion long afterwards.

Btw, this isn't a justification of the violent women, they most definitely are cunts.

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u/Dan_the_Marksman Jan 25 '23

yes all of them are cunts, this is probably just a clash between right wing racists and muslim fanatics

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u/Ultrabigasstaco Jan 25 '23

What would you think if they were doing it to the Bible?

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u/SheLikesMySparks Jan 25 '23

If they're doing it as a show to upset Jews or Christians? They're still childish assholes.

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u/Biff_Wesker Jan 25 '23

People are still evolving I guess.

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u/AadamAtomic Jan 25 '23

What religion was the cunt burning books specifically to be a cunt?

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u/Angry_Washing_Bear Jan 25 '23

It does.

From both the religious and the non-religious people.

No idea if the people who burnt the book are religious as well, ie another “faction” as far as religion goes, or they are non-religious.

Either way; religion is a breeding ground for hate and violence. Always was, always will be.

Best thing humanity can do is at some point evolve enough intelligence so that religion is entirely abolished on a species wide level.

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u/dasus Jan 25 '23

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”

  • Steven Weinberg

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u/FU_IamGrutch Jan 25 '23

I trained Brazilian Jiu Jitsu with Muslims. Several asked me to visit their mosque, which I did, and I took classes on Islam going right into their outreach program. The people were very kind and the food, wow the food was some of the best I have had. I was never convinced, nor interested in becoming a Muslim but I did want to better understand my friends. They warmth and friendship they had for me during this time seemed very genuine. But ultimately when I refused to progress through the program and become a Muslim, everything took a dark term.
My friends refused to speak with me, they refused to roll with me at class, cut me off Facebook, blocked my phone and would collectively talk trash and look at me like an enemy. I truly feared for my life and even left the Jiu Jitsu studio I trained at. No worries, I ended up at a better studio shortly after. So yeah, not really a fan of Islam.

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u/flimspringfield Jan 25 '23

Were the guys who burned the Quran, Christians?

Looks like these assholes did it on purpose to get a reaction and they ended up getting a reaction, just not one they expected.

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u/Own-Adhesiveness-214 Jan 25 '23

I don't know, if people burn a religious symbol in front of the people who praise the symbol, I don't see the religion as the issue, I see the pieces of human garbage that instigated and called for violence only to turn around and say "oh look violent people". Humans will find a way to be garbage, if they have religion or not, they will manage.

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u/Optimal_End_9733 Jan 25 '23

Which religion said invade Iraq and make money from oil and infrastructure?

We're just random mistakes in the cosmos, fighting to live... Why not just bomb some Muslims and make money from it right? There is no God anyway so not justice after we die..... /s

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u/brownbearclan Jan 25 '23

But, it's the religion of peace!

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u/lettersgohere Jan 25 '23

Thinking burning a stack of paper is in any way equivalent to attempting to murder someone definitely puts you somewhere in cuntville too though.

Attempted murder is outrageous and needs to be universally condemned.

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u/FullMaxPowerStirner Jan 25 '23

Not just on this particular car... but also risking an accident with the other unrelated people in their cars.

Only religious fanatics do such a thing.

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u/DiamondHanded Jan 25 '23

You must not drive in the US

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u/daveinpublic Jan 25 '23

How did the US make it into another thread?

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u/endorphin-neuron Jan 25 '23

Because of Americans inherent self-centeredness

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u/Mordredor Jan 25 '23

The US is full of religious fanatics though lol

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u/Doorooroo0 Jan 25 '23

Imagine that, people being from another place rather than the US... Shocking

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u/RaivoAivo Jan 25 '23

But they had hurt feelings!

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u/GetJukedM8 Jan 25 '23

But they burnt their book which is inherently oppressive!

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

Thank you for saying this.

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u/_Administrator_ Jan 25 '23

The only thing he’ll blame is “religion”. But he probably wouldn’t even name which religion is responsible for this.

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u/Feinberg Jan 25 '23

You say that like it matters. They're all awful.

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u/bottledry Jan 25 '23

no they arent.

all religions are not the same

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u/thekillerclows Jan 25 '23

Name one religion that practicing it hasn't resulted in someone's death.

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u/Wtiaw Jan 25 '23

I'm an atheist and not condoning their actions, but let's also not pretend "it's just a stack of paper", it's an attack on their culture and their identity so of course it will evoke strong reactions. Obviously the answer isn't murder but I'm not surprised

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

Sure, but that's exactly what the guy wanted. He's going around insulting people's religion until he can find the person who would blow up into violence. Had these people not done it, he'd have kept upping the ante until someone did. I've known assholes like this.

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u/Darth_JarJar300 Jan 25 '23

Yeah but they obliged. People make this same complaint about cop watchers and it's bullshit then too. You can say he's an asshole who wanted people to do this all you want, the fact is he wanted people to do this because he knew the sick fucks would do it.

And the sad is they're probably not even bad people, they think they are acting morally and defending Allah.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

I mean if I drove around here in South Carolina burning bibles I'd also get attacked eventually. In fact I bet it would not take long at all.

I still don't do it because I'm not an asshole though.

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u/Regular_Chap Jan 25 '23

And if someone attacked you for burning bibles they would be a cunt and deserve jail. This isn't that complicated.

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u/threedaysinthreeways Jan 25 '23

Why did you need to mention South Carolina? Because a majority identify as christian there?

That's the difference, muslims will do this in a country where they are 3% of the population.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

Because it's where I live and the "Christians" in the boonies here remind me a lot of the Muslims in the Middle East. Dylann Roof, a Christian man, shot up a bunch of other Christians just for being black and drove past my house while running from the police after doing it.

People here act like this shit is exclusive to Muslims. It's not.

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u/lettersgohere Jan 25 '23

Sure but seriously what is your point?

Swap out one religion for another and you’d still be an asshole and they’d still be attempted murderers.

The only difference would be Reddit lions wouldn’t be jumping to defend the Christian. The warped defenses of Islamic extremism on Reddit are seriously disgusting.

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u/creamyturtle Jan 25 '23

idk burning a stupid book is a lot different than attempted vehicular manslaughter

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u/DifficultyNext7666 Jan 25 '23

No no. That's Islamophobia. How fucking dare you hold them to the bare bones expectation of western society we don't murder people over words

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

Doesn't make them not a cunt lol.

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u/SiggiZeBear Jan 25 '23

How so?

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

Intentionally antagonizing people by doing something that they consider disrespectful just because you can. I can go shout the N word in public all day long, doesn't make me not a cunt for doing so lol

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u/damndirtyape Jan 25 '23

It’s a form of political protest. In the 60’s, hippies burned the American flag in protest. It’s also common for people to make art that is disrespectful of Christianity as an expression of their disagreement with the religion.

I would assume that the guy is burning the Quran to assert his right to freedom of religion, free from intimidation. In a free country, people are allowed to express strong opinions about religions they disagree with. We don’t want to institute a de facto prohibition against blasphemy.

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u/ArtisanSamosa Jan 25 '23

Are Muslims an oppressive majority in Norway or something? What are they protesting?

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

Ok, and I can assert my freedom of speech by yelling the n word all day. Again, that would make me a cunt lol

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u/damndirtyape Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

By shouting the N word, you’re expressing strong dislike of a race. By burning a religious book, you’re expressing strong dislike of a religion. I’m much more sympathetic to people who criticize ideas, than I am of those who criticize an ethic group.

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

Lol you can pretend it's not the same thing if you want but it is

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u/mzm316 Jan 25 '23

But you’re not protesting anything.

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

I'm protesting the eroding 1st amendment

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u/JUYED-AWK-YACC Jan 25 '23

What a lot of racist bullshit. Fortunately in the US we have hate crime laws to cover this.

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u/damndirtyape Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

I had a whole long debate about this with the person I responded to. I disagree with this sentiment. But, I'm too tired to debate it now. You can see how I respond to this if the following thread:

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/10kk8bq/2_ladys_flipping_a_guys_car_after_he_burnt_the/j5u1alv/?context=3

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jan 25 '23

To add to your point though, this is one area where being a cunt isn't a bad thing. They are well within their rights to express themselves against a religion they detest by doing something controversial. It's actually good for society that people are willing to step up and challenge people in this kind of way.

But it is objectively cunt behavior. Just done for a good reason.

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u/Underachiever207 Jan 25 '23

Idk why you're getting downvoted. They're both huge assholes. Obviously, her reaction is unacceptable, but the guy is an ass too for throwing a burning quran around to intentionally antagonize people.

Moral of the story is don't be a dick and you won't have to worry about ending up in a situation like this.

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u/t4ngl3d Jan 25 '23

Yeah definitely. The thing is SIAN is also pretty extremist. They burn the Koran at least weekly and try to find the most triggering way to do it. Just a bunch of bad actors.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

They burn the Koran at least weekly and try to find the most triggering way to do it.

As a religious person and immigrant, good.

There's absolutely no reason that should be banned or in any way lead to a "they had it coming", and highlighting violent tendencies in a community is, to some extent, a social service. Particularly when I scroll this thread and I see comments like yours, equating one with the other. Sorry but this is pretty one-sided. Same if it were bibles, torahs, a flag, or w.e.

Screw these people so much.

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u/LoquatLoquacious Jan 25 '23

We all know that burning a book is a lot less bad than driving into someone's car. So, bearing in mind we agree with that: If someone made a point of saying how much they hated my culture I'd consider them huge fucking cunts.

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u/hematomasectomy Jan 25 '23

Turks burned the Swedish flag outside the Swedish embassy in Turkey recently, because a half-dane half-swede decided to burn the quran somewhere in Sweden.

Most of the Swedish comments were to the tune "k".

Why do you care what someone else thinks as long as it doesn't affect you?

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u/SeanTCU Jan 25 '23

I'm sure the fascists at Stop the Islamification of Norway (3% Muslim population btw) are taking notes on who the "good ones" are and only want to radicalise their country against the bad immigrants.

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u/throwaway-20701 Jan 25 '23

You can disagree with the group and their ideology while supporting the rights that make this country one of the best countries to live in.

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u/SeanTCU Jan 25 '23

It's one of the best countries to live in because of a strong economy and welfare system propped up by North Sea oil, not because you can incite hatred by burning books.

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u/throwaway-20701 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

The welfare state is there because of how influential the average person is in politics compared to other countries. We have the most political freedom in the world. This is one of the few downsides.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

"incite hatred" has become a very trendy way of saying: "they were asking for it".

Do you think "incite hatred" in any way, even if in a minuscule percentage, justifies the reaction?

There are absolutely no grounds or reasons possible to think something purely ideological would be justified in producing a violent reaction.

Hard no.

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u/SeanTCU Jan 25 '23

Their aim is to heighten tensions and raise the temperature on all sides of the issue. That's inciting hatred. A violent reaction may not be justified, but it is exactly what they're fishing for.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

Good, a civilized response to any kind of speech should be the expectation and anything else condemned wholeheartedly.

I expect the same of any religious group expecting to form part of this civilized society - be it christians, hindus, wiccans, or w.e.

If someone flips the middle finger at another and they get beheaded, would you give the same response of: "that's what they're fishing for"? It's ludicrous!

This is the bigotry of low expectations.

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u/PM_YOUR_AKWARD_SMILE Jan 25 '23

You are a sad person

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u/LordNoodles Jan 25 '23

I love how you think that “as a religious person” would make your point MORE credible.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

Yeah, they can burn my holy book if they want to, the most they would ever get from me or anyone in my community is a shaking of the head and hoping they get through whatever it is they're going through.

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u/hammerandnailz Jan 25 '23

This was obviously an overreaction and I guarantee you most Islamic clergy would encourage their faithful to ignore assholes like this, but there is absolutely a fascistic/racialized undertone to public Quran burnings and you’re being willfully obtuse if you ignore that.

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u/secretbases Jan 25 '23

So the Turkish stance on vetoing Sweden is the obvious answer right? These religious buffoons don't poses critical thinking

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

It is but I hope all of them were so miserable after this that it ends up making them think about life and changing who they are and how they act to something more positive. Everyone involved in this was a piece of shit.

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u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet Jan 25 '23

You think someone who is willing to kill over a burned book is capable of that level of introspection? Those people are brainwashed fundamentalist nut jobs.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

True but I like to hold out hope for even the worst among us.

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u/Nooms88 Jan 25 '23

The whole point of Burning a Koran is to envoke a violent reaction and demonstrate that Islamic values are not compatible with western Liberal democracies, the protestors are probably quite pleased with the result.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

I'm sure they're real happy about it. Still an asshole move.

Like shouting the N word to black people until one of them punches you. Violence isn't the answer but provoking violence on purpose is still shitty. I don't know why reddit can't accept that.

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u/mzm316 Jan 25 '23

You can’t change being black. You can absolutely change your adherence to a religion that promotes violence and oppression. See the difference? If I insult and provoke you because of the race you were born as, I’m a racist dickhead. But if I insult the religion you follow and you then see fit to try to personally kill me, then I think point is proven.

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u/SquareBusiness6951 Jan 25 '23

It amazes me you got downvoted. Guy burning book? Asshole trying to get a reaction. Nutjobs chasing him? Indoctrinated and irrational.

Nobody here is a morally righteous, upstanding person. They’re dumb assholes who need to reflect on their life choices and make better ones.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

Way to miss the point.

If burning a book is enough to trigger a reaction of flipping a car, there is a big fucking problem.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

Threads like this attract a certain type of person who think the guy burning Qurans is some kind of hero.

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u/dream-smasher Jan 25 '23

No, not that the guy is "some kind of hero". Just that racing after him in two cars, completely disregarding everyone else on the road, so they could.. what.? Smash into him in their cars? She was lucky that she managed to PIT him, instead of the general crashing she was probably angry enough to do.

Saying that all three are as bad as each other is total "both sides" bullshit.

A guy burned a book.

The women took off in two cars, racing down the road to catch up to him.

Which one do you think had the potential to harm more innocent bystanders?

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u/SquareBusiness6951 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

I don’t know who said it’s exactly the same but I’m with you there. Obviously dickheaded provocation and blind rage assault is apples and oranges.

Still, bad apples and bad oranges. The same? No. Not good? Yes.

Ideally, no one would go around poking until they find a hornets nest. But also, ideally, no one will absolutely lose their shit and disregard the safety of themselves and others do run down someone who burned a book.

I think it’s important to call out both sides faults. Otherwise you get people saying he was right to do it, to make a point which I could go on about the problem with that, or you get people who say he deserved what he got. Things just aren’t black and white. They’re many shades of stupid.

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u/LudwigSalieri Jan 25 '23

Apples and oranges means that two things aren't comparable. Burning a book and trying to kill someone with your car are comparable and the second one is way worse.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

Ideally, no one would go around poking until they find a hornets nest.

No, that's not ideal.

Ignoring serious problems like a religion promoting violence is not ideal in any way.

Why does Islam get a pass when promoting violence is illegal for everyone else?

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u/cantuse Jan 25 '23

I'm sure some people absolutely think that. I'm sure the guy who did this is some right wing dude trying to bait reactions.

I don't think any of that is surprising.

It's also not all surprising that most rational people do not think that transforming into the road warrior is the proper way to respond to this in a pluralistic society. Indeed the very idea that this kind of stupidity is met with such viciousness suggests that this very pluralism could be in jeopardy. If the only reason you don't attack me is because I don't insult your magic book, we're already on thin ice.

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u/SquareBusiness6951 Jan 25 '23

Mad Max also popped into my head when I saw this.

And they are doing it thinking they’ll ride eternal in valhalla, shiny and chrome. Basically. Just different words.

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u/PunkToTheFuture Jan 25 '23

Of all the religions to start shit that's one that will get a big reaction. That book he burned says to kill me because I am atheist, so I'm not keen on it either

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u/Hard_As_Snaiils Jan 25 '23

Well the point is that him doing so got exactly the reaction expected. He's not a hero but he was clearly able to prove a point. Focusing on the guy and not the lunatics trying to injure him and potentially hurt others is ridiculous

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u/WitchesDew Jan 25 '23

You're right, of course.

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u/littleshitbird Jan 25 '23

I hope they both got fucking deported

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u/Elephant789 Jan 25 '23

To where? How do you know they aren't from Norway?

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u/littleshitbird Jan 25 '23

Idc if they were born there or not (they weren’t) their actions are completely foreign to the ethos of Norwegian ppl

to where

to wherever Allah is worshipped

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u/DesMotsCrados Jan 25 '23

What he did sure is a lot less problematic than the assault with a car. Still, you are being very dishonest.

He did not just burn a book. It's not even the book burning that is problematic, it's any action made for the sole purpose of triggering people.

They should go to jail, and not him. But he sure is a massive cunt nonetheless.

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u/DaRK_0S Jan 25 '23

Well one is a misdemeanor at worst and another could end up being manslaughter rather easily. Wouldn’t compare the two. “Look, he bad. They bad. All bad” sure, like that’s what’s happening here.

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u/youwontseemecoming Jan 25 '23

“There are some very fine people on both sides”

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u/orange-salamander Jan 25 '23

Charlie Hebdp = cunts too?

Clearly one side has a much bigger problem being fucking cunts.

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u/Taj_Mahole Jan 25 '23

There are two scenarios here.

One, what you said is true and the infinitesimally small odds of the “couple” of Muslim cunts that would erupt with homicidal rage just happened to be there when the guy burned to Quran.

Or, the reaction we saw to the burning of the Quran is quite common in the Muslim community.

Only a naive fool would suppose the first scenario to be true.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

Or he has been going around burning Qurans until he finally found someone who did what he wanted. My guess is that this turd has burned a thousand Qurans seeking negative attention.

I could get the same reaction by burning bibles here in the South.

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u/Taj_Mahole Jan 25 '23

Oh please. Remember the entire Islamic world rioting at the mere threat from a pastor to burn the Quran? Don’t be a fool.

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u/Cyberlash Jan 25 '23

Never have I heard such an amazing description for the abismal state of society. 10/10 would put it in a frame 👌

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u/Networkingbatman Jan 25 '23

Wasnt even a Norwegian cunt. Is a Danish cunt who came to Norway to do that.

Its basically extremists, being paid by Russia (most probably) to fuel division flames. Look at Sweden and NATO, when everything seemed on track, an "extremist" goes and burns a coran in front of the turkish embassy in Stockholm

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u/jeffriestubesteak Jan 25 '23

I'm 3rd generation Norwegian American. I spent several summers there with my dad's parents who never emigrated. I can state with perfect confidence that Norway has idiots and assholes in roughly the same proportion as any other country I've lived in or visited.

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u/KlangScaper Jan 25 '23

These cunts also travel internationally, cause they don't have the numbers the y pretend they do.

I'm in NL and we had some Germans from PEGIDA try to burn a Qur'an here. Pleased to report they were so scared of our numbers and resolve, they never even showed their faces!

Unite and make it clear these fucks won't get away with it in your hometown!

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u/TheSubredditPolice Jan 25 '23

The Porrick Theory of Cunt Field Stability.

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u/Daymandayman Jan 25 '23

False equivalence. Comparing Norway to a place like Saudi Arabia or Syria where blasphemy is punished with violence is ridiculous.

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u/Lordpabl0 Jan 25 '23

Who said anything abt saudi arabia?

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u/Needsmorsleep Jan 25 '23

The guy you're replying to

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u/Porrick Jan 25 '23

Where did I make that comparison? I was more talking far more generally, about the existence of cunts who want to start shit, and other cunts who are easily started. Those exist everywhere. They're not always in government, and that's the main difference I'd point to between Norway and Saudi.

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u/polarbearskill Jan 25 '23

Seems like one is more of a cunt than the other when one cunt tried to kill another cunt for burning a book.

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u/Porrick Jan 25 '23

Well yeah I'm not going to say that attempted murder is the same as "starting shit".

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u/langlo94 Jan 25 '23

The bookburning cunt has also assaulted security guards, not that that excuses trying to murder him with a car of course.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

Sure, but both are horrible people.

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u/polarbearskill Jan 25 '23

Here is the key, there are different levels of horrible. The people who tried to kill the others are worse.

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u/Daymandayman Jan 25 '23

You implied that this could happen anywhere. It shouldn’t be happening in a democratic secular country. People who want to harm others for blasphemy should be deported.

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u/FemboyFoxFurry Jan 25 '23

Religious nut jobs exist everywhere, Mexico literally had a civil war because the govemrmt wanted to turn secular. As we speak in the US religious nut jobs are stripping us of our rights. If it can happen in the US it can happen anywhere

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u/Dexter102938 Jan 25 '23

Exactly, buddy is probably to naive to realize the religous nutjobs within his own necause he considers his religion to be "right"

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u/Daymandayman Jan 25 '23

I’m not religious.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

No violence an no crime should happen anywhere, but it does. At least you can count that this woman will be prosecuted in Norway, while in some other country she would be celebrated.

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u/MTFBinyou Jan 25 '23

You think religious zealots who wreak their zealotry on their home country should be deported too right?

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u/Chanko-suto Jan 25 '23

Some of them were born in these countries, what do you do then?

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u/Bageezax Jan 25 '23

Jail them?

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

Then you can't deport them, but is seems they meant that since she is a violent Muslim nutjob, she can't be originally from Norway... It's called ignorance, it's a common thing.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

Then you're going to have to deport about 20 million Christians from the US.

Come here to South Carolina and go out in public burning bibles, see how long before someone tries to kill you. It won't take long at all.

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u/Endaline Jan 25 '23

I don't get this, deport them where? Are you just assuming that these aren't Norwegian citizens because of their religion or skin color? Or is there some country you can just deport people to? And if these people aren't, what about Christian Norwegians that *harm others for blasphemy? Should they be deported too?

Should Norway deport people for hate crimes too? Or is there room for hate crime Democratic Secular country? What about murder? Is there room for that in a Democratic Secular country?

Seriously, what is this comment? At what point do you look at a list of crimes and reasons and draw the line at blasphemy related violence. "Let's keep the child predators, but those blasphemers have to go (unless they are blasphemy related child predators)."

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

Everyone knows that no Muslim has ever been born in Norway!

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u/yonoznayu Jan 25 '23

Ah yeah, the flawless and post-hatred Norway where a guy -someone with similar sociopolitical and ethnic insular views as these guys here- named Anders Behring Breivik went on to murdered 77 people (mostly young ones) in two attacks and some still see him (most likely the ones playing this clown show here) as a hero? Riiight.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

When you say cunts here, are you referring to the cunts who flipped the guy's car because they are religious fruitcakes, or the cunt who goes around burning Qurans in order to purposefully trigger mentally ill people by insulting their religion?

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u/brpajense Jan 25 '23

There's some nationalist anti-immigrant racists in Norway and Sweden, just like in the UK.

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u/Porrick Jan 25 '23

My mum has a house near a refugee center in rural Oppland; she's not Norwegian but she spends her summers there. There's a bunch of Iraqi and Syrian friends of hers who say she's basically the only local who speaks to them ever.

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u/zorrowhip Jan 25 '23

PhD in cuntology has spoken

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u/DarkOmen597 Jan 25 '23

Wait, which ones the cunt here?

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u/xxDooomedxx Jan 25 '23

That's offensively poetic. I love it!

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