r/PublicFreakout • u/ImYourRealDadHey • Jan 24 '23

2 lady’s flipping a guys car after he burnt the Quran Repost 😔

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u/Drago1214 Jan 25 '23

I don’t think burning a book is against any laws but they sure committed a crime.

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u/SgvSth Jan 25 '23

Intentionally desecrating a copy of the Quran is punishable by imprisonment in some countries and could lead to a death sentence in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Pakistan, or up to life imprisonment in Pakistan, according to Article 295-B of the Penal Code.

Since they are apparently in Europe, it would likely not be against the law.

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u/FU_IamGrutch Jan 25 '23 • Faith In Humanity Restored

What if you intentionally delete a copy of the Quran from your computer?

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u/smiley_culture Jan 25 '23

Then you have to bury your computer like they do with their old books.

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u/Tronski4 Jan 25 '23 • All-Seeing Upvote Starry Eureka!

Little known fact is that burning qurans actually is a valid and respectful method of disposal:

https://www.learnreligions.com/disposal-of-quran-2004546

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u/Ultima_RatioRegum Jan 25 '23

Interesting; it reminds me how burning an American flag in protest is seen as an act of desecration by many, but proper disposal of old, tattered flags is done by burning them.

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u/rex5k Jan 25 '23

Like pretty much everything, context is key

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u/imontoyou89 Jan 25 '23

You have to do it ceremoniously and there's a whole script you go through before you properly dispose of a flag. source: boy scout lol

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u/DuckIllustrious2034 Jan 25 '23

After cut the flag in half on the line between the sea of stars between the 7th and 8th strip so it no longer forms an American flag

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u/Realistic_Ad3795 Jan 25 '23

Yup, intent is everything. Also the way you burn it is different.

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u/Jacorvin Jan 25 '23

This just in, context is key.

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u/nvrtrynvrfail Jan 25 '23

Still...burning books is not cool...even shitty ones...

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u/typkrft Jan 26 '23

Burning mass produced religious literature is the one exception.

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u/Perfect-Season6116 Jan 25 '23

There is a prescribed method of doing so. Lighting it on fire and throwing it out of a car is probably not on the approved list of disposal policies.

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u/youngbloodonthewater Jan 25 '23

Hmm I wonder if blowing one up counts. That would really be a bummer if you forgot to take your pocket quaran out before committing jihad right? Maybe you lose one virgin per page destroyed? If you kill enough innocent civilians or infidels it's forgiven?

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u/hs38 Jan 25 '23

True. But burning someone's religious book in front of him, and taunting is not a right way of disposal. All religions should be respected.

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u/wupme2k Jan 25 '23

No religion deserves respect.

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u/Kampaigns Jan 25 '23

Damn bro what’d the bhuddists do to you?

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u/Tronski4 Jan 25 '23

Why should all religions be respected?

Respect has to be earned.

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u/Pantone187 Jan 25 '23

Not sure any of this is actually about religion. It’s about being stuck on the same rock hurdling through space. Religions have done some messed up stuff. Doing more messed up stuff won’t erase that. It just adds more messed up stuff to the pile.

There was a bad-faith deliberate provocation solely to create emotional distress and violate someone’s human rights.

Article 1 and Article 18 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 1: “All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.”

Article 18: “Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.”

So does SUV dude have the right to burn a holy book…sure. Does he have the right to violate someone else’s human rights…not so much.

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u/L3P3ch3 Jan 25 '23

Agreed.

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u/phuckintrevor Jan 25 '23

If you wanna get super technical it can’t possibly be a Quran if it’s not a book written in Arabic…. According to one of the first chapters of the Quran. So if this Quran was written in another language other than Arabic they might have a loophole. …. Good luck explaining that to fanatics on either side though

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u/CraigArndt Jan 25 '23

Does this mean any digital copy of the Quran is technically not the Quran because while the images on screen might be in Arabic, the file itself is written in binary?

Genuine question.

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u/phuckintrevor Jan 26 '23

Arguably yes

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u/scowling_deth Jan 25 '23

gasp: the Quraoran! A book Quriouser and Quriouser. of Queeroaries. or whatever. its paper.

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u/pfunkapocalypse Jan 26 '23

Can the illiterate tell the difference?

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u/flockitup Jan 25 '23

You burn in digital hell, my friend.

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u/SgvSth Jan 25 '23

Again using Wiki:

The disposal of worn copies is also of concern to Muslims. Because the Quran contains no specifics on how to dispose of a worn or defective text, different and conflicting methods of disposal have been adopted in different regions by different sects.

It would potentially depend on the location and reason. It would also depend on if a digital copy was even officially considered to be a religious text at the time it was deleted.

Again, per Wiki:

There is debate surrounding to what degree a digital form of the Qur'an should be treated like a hard copy in terms of etiquette when reciting from it.

Commenters speculated about how the special barakah or contagion heuristic associated with the Qur'an translates to electronic texts.

Myrvold (2010) summarizes the debate on how Qur'anic etexts and the devices holding them should be handled, citing a fatwa issued by the "Ask Imam" website to the effect that ritual purity should only be regarded in connection with such a device during the time Qur'anic text is actually being displayed.

Additionally, on a related note:

An issue emerging alongside the growing usage of digital copies of the Qur'an is confirming the authenticity of digital copies. Given that the Qur'an has been maintained in its original, unedited state for fourteen centuries, maintaining this originality is against tampering is of the utmost importance for digital Qur'anic ccontent While hard copies of the Qur'an are meticulously examined to assure accuracy before they are made available for sale, many digital copies that are available for free on the internet are not subjected to same degree of scrutiny. ... [T]here are many proposed methods to rectify the issue of authenticity and establish a method to verify the integrity of digital Qur'anic content. One controversial method of verifying and displaying that a piece of digital Qur'anic content is authentic is the usage of digital watermarks on verified digital images of the Qur'an, which some argue is a form of modifying the Qur'an as well.

Back to the point, there has been a number of problems from digital versions. For the specific question, it would seem that you would have to delete the PDF while it was in use, which isn't easily possible on most operating systems. And you would also have to be caught in some way doing so.

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u/Husband000 Jan 25 '23

She should not take law of the country in her hand. This is not like ordinary book for billions of people, they remember it from heart and peoples might give more value from their own life and even family . But we should respect each other believes .. same like if I yell at your father .. will you be angry ?

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u/TheOldGuy59 Jan 25 '23

From YOUR own computer? It's your data. From someone else's computer? Pretty sure that's not cool, it's the same thing as breaking into your computer and deleting anything you're working on as well.

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u/dostyo Jan 25 '23

Problem is the descration or intention to insult so deleting a file from your computer is not something people consider insulting

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u/BlueFotherMucker Jan 25 '23

The Jews figured this one out. They type G-d instead of God, so that even if you delete a computer file you can’t delete God’s name.

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u/endisnigh-ish Jan 25 '23

From Norway 2022

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u/turbo_dude Jan 25 '23

The Winter Games sure have changed since I last watched

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u/Zombie_Carl Jan 25 '23

I would watch the car flipping competition, but only if it was done by hand (and nobody was in the car)

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u/mormodra Jan 25 '23

This seems like a reason why videos like this exist... https://youtu.be/4EDI_rBOoGs Doesn't that just prove fanaticism exists and free will does not in those places? It also appears you are defending acts of violence over some pieces of paper? I am trying to be unbiased and understand how pit maneuvering someone over burning some pages is even realistic anywhere on this planet.

It litterally sounds insane and I can't wrap my head around any of it. 😮‍💨

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u/Kudaja Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Welcome to religion around the world, causes more violence than anything else in the last 10000 years

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u/dufferwjr Jan 25 '23

Yeah, I think all the people in this are idiots.

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u/Federal_Camp4615 Jan 25 '23 • Narwhal Salute

Eh, their reaction to him burning the book justified him doing it imo. Religious fanatics like this need to be called out, especially when they’ve been accepted into a different culture like they have in Northern Europe

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u/lowenbeh0ld Jan 25 '23

He can burn a book but throwing burning trash into the sidewalk is not justified by religious extremism. ESH

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u/JaesopPop Jan 25 '23

People reacting badly to being antagonized is not justification for antagonizing them.

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u/YayWanderer Jan 26 '23

I refer to those type of people as religious terrorists.🤷‍♂️

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u/nnystical Jan 25 '23

Politics is becoming a close second. They see how much money and power we are willing to give to religion and the politicians want in.

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u/IDCFFSGTFO Jan 25 '23

Japan didn't bomb Pearl Harbor in the name of Shinto. I'm just saying, clichéd takes like that are easily falsifiable. The 20th century conflicts combined totally dwarf the previous ten centuries of violence, and mostly those conflicts were not wholly religious in nature. Even the Holocaust was more about race than religion, many many non-Jews with one Jewish grandparent were put on trains to be gassed.

I am totally non-religious as well, I just can't agree with that statement you made.

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u/GaryGoesHard Jan 25 '23

You can’t possibly think the 1900s had more total violence than 900-1900 combined.

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u/deadflagblues Jan 25 '23

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll#/media/File:Wars_by_Death_Toll_Chart.jpg

They might be right. There are just a lot MORE people in the modern era, not to mention much more effective weapons. No event in 900-1900 comes anywhere remotely near the 85 million deaths in WWII.

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u/Mintastic Jan 26 '23

If they had WWII weapons in 900-1900 civilization would've probably been half wiped out considering how much people hated each other.

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u/overlord7517 Jan 25 '23

Sheer scale due to advancement in tech? I might buy it. Regardless, most wars and bloodshed are fought for nationalistic or other identity/greed reasons, with religion being only used to make it more palatable. I don't think anyone thinks Northern Ireland was a conflict zone due to different theological interpretations of Paul's Letters.

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u/CEDFTW Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

I mean I do simply because of scale. Even when Alexander was doing his thing across the Mediterranean there just want wasn't as many people as were involved in the European world wars.

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u/LNLV Jan 25 '23

Terrible take my guy, the Mongol invasions wiped out about 11% of the entire planet.

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u/CEDFTW Jan 25 '23

I mean how much was 11% of the entire population at the time?

A quick Google search says in his lifetime he was responsible for killing 40 million people. WW2 alone is estimated to be between 70-85 million.

So if we are talking percentages Khan is more violent but if we are talking body count the modern era of war has been deadlier. Either way I don't think it's a terrible take just a disagreement about how we are measuring this.

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u/lastknownbuffalo Jan 25 '23

This take is all true.

Your terrible take was where you suggested Alexander the great's conflicts in the Mediterranean involved as many people as ww2

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u/isaytyler Jan 25 '23

I agree with you. Plus I would argue that religion doesn't cause wars, it's used to justify them.

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u/Fishbone345 Jan 25 '23

It could easily be argued that Japan’s devotion to the Emperor was comparable to the devotion some people give religion. Kamikaze was a thing, they did it for the Empire because the Emperor was a God. From a period from about 1860’s to 1945, their leadership treated the Emperor as a divine being.

Edit: The Holocaust was about a lot of things, all bad. The first people the Nazi’s went after were the Communists and Socialists. That’s not really a race or a religion thing.

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u/hanr86 Jan 25 '23

Try a couple thousand more years lol

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u/bigmanTulsFlor Jan 25 '23

Actually the violence ramped up without it. People threw themselves at ideological utopia and nationalism. Nothing adds up quite like the nazis and the communists, or the imperialists and colonists for that matter.

As far as I'm concerned, any death over a fake book is too many. But it's naive to suggest that religion was the cause for the majority of that barbarity. It's clearly a human feature in general.

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u/petermichael20 Jan 25 '23

It's absolutely disgusting. I hope they were found and prosecuted. The guy burning the book is an idiot but the reaction of these women is appalling.

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u/SgvSth Jan 25 '23

It also appears you are defending acts of violence over some pieces of paper?

All I did was give an answer to

I don’t think burning a book is against any laws...

And stated that those in the Jeep likely were not in a jurisdiction where they committed a crime.

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u/wthreyeitsme Jan 25 '23

That's the thing, though. They don't want you to wrap your head around it. They want you to wrap something around your head.

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u/needmoremiles Jan 25 '23

Wait till you discover the concept of “fighting words”

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u/LekoLi Jan 26 '23

Its like this. It's not 100% the quran as it is mocking their entire way of life... Think like burning the american flag. I have heard many a patritards talk about beating up and trashing people who burn the flag.

That guy was a dick trying to piss people off, he did, and they over reacted. There can be many stupid reasons for that.

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u/MoebiusJodorowsky Jan 25 '23

Are you familiar with hate speech?

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u/superintendentpoops Jan 25 '23

I 100% agree that these guys have every right to do this and also agree its not a big deal, but also if you act like a dick some people aren't as reasonable about that. The best way to find all those unreasonable people is to be disrespectful.

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u/mewhenreal Jan 25 '23

It's religion! It's government! It's totalitarianism!

People are just dicks... all this stuff is window dressing.

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u/Charming-Start-3722 Jan 25 '23

It does in fact prove that islam is not a religion of peace, and freedom cannot coexist with islam as put forth by the quran. TBF freedom also cant exist with christianity or catholicism as put forth by the bible.

The only way religions survive the test of time is if they change to something gentle and putely spiritual that cannot be used to start a fight. Any spiritual belief that supports repression of others will get stamped out by free-thought eventually.

These women are hypocrites and stupid (par for the course). They are breaking their own rules and then getting upset when someone burns their precious shitty little book.

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u/Dry-Moment962 Jan 25 '23

You're either defending violence or hate, seems kinda lose/lose.

Going as far as inciting hate against a group of people is FAFO territory. It seems okay because the internet itself makes us believe it's a normal occurrence.

I know people in my life that would pull a gun on you if you were even verbally acti g like a dick, let alone hate targeting their religion.

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u/Federal_Camp4615 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Burning a book isn’t hate. Attacking people for burning your pedo book is hate though. If you want to continue to live in a free society you must call out religious extremists like this for what they are: bigoted nut cases who have no place in modern society. Hopefully they were arrested, and if immigrants, sent back to whatever theocratic shithole they’re likely from so they can have back the country they want to turn Norway into.

They literally worship a dude who married a ten year old.

The only reason this thread is divided is because these are Muslims. If these were some fundamentalist Christian rednecks attacking people for burning the Bible this thread would be United against them. It’s prejudicial

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u/Imagine-Summer Jan 25 '23

free will does not in those places?

How does free will not exist? christ lol explain that.

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u/Sfumatographer Jan 25 '23

If I’m not mistaken, the guy doing the “desecrating” (I’m an atheist) is a right-wing activist who’s been trying to instigate religious conflict throughout Scandinavia. I believe he’s Danish. He’s trying raise anti-immigrant sentiment by doing stupid shit like this.

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u/Verying Jan 25 '23

It's pretty clear at the start of the video that the book burners went to an Islamic area to burn the Quran in an attempt to intimidate muslim people, a hate crime.

With the uptick in mosque shootings, I don't even blame them.

Truth is there is more than one way to combat racism and peacefully asking for it to stop is not an effective tool, especially in comparison to violence.

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u/BigDickRyder Jan 25 '23

Why is this statement any different than hate speech? Would you consider hate speech a violation of free speech? What about slander and libel? Threats? Just because you can’t say literally anything you want does not mean there isn’t freedom of speech

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u/Soledad_Miranda Jan 25 '23

It is literally insane and fuck every brainwashed moron who believes this shit and would act like this.

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u/erroneousbosh Jan 25 '23

You've got people in the US who will shoot other people for not following their holy book.

I don't see how this is different.

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u/I_Brain_You Jan 25 '23

Burning a Quran could be viewed as incitement of violence.

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u/DarkTanicus Jan 25 '23

And yet you left out the part where he burnt 'the pieces of paper' where those who worship the words in those books are.

I'm trying to be unbiased as well and want to understand how him doing that is justified when it's obvious he did it on purpose.

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u/mormodra Jan 25 '23

I never said it was justified... but if you put book burning in one hand and pit maneuvering someone in a high-speed chase in the other. Which one is more detrimental? The answer should be obvious even to an idiot.

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u/MonsterHunterNewbie Jan 25 '23

Indeed they should have ignored the guy. However I do have a question that nobody has answered....

Is there a reason why the the guys burning it doing so for a genuine reason other than hate speach?

I mean, if they were burning the Torah, then everybody would know exactly what it is and see though the fake 'free speach' deception.

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u/Rossums Jan 25 '23

The protestors are anti-Islam and believe that Islam is incompatible with freedom of speech and freedom of expression throughout Scandinavia.

Part of that is attempting to demonstrate how Muslims are unable to accept that their religious beliefs do not dictate the actions of others and show how they use violence to stifle the speech of those people for speaking out against Islam.

Generally that involves burning the Quran, Muslims practically always get violent and completely demonstrate the protestors point that Muslims respond with violence.

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u/MonsterHunterNewbie Jan 25 '23

But isn't the whole act of burning a quran extremist behavior, just like burning a torah or painting swastikas on Jewish temples?

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u/Morkai Jan 25 '23

Is there a reason why the the guys burning it doing so for a genuine reason other than hate speach?

I assumed so they can turn around and play victim and go "see how those radical muslims treat innocent white people who are just minding their own business?" while taking all context out of the situation.

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u/SuspiciousSubstance9 Jan 25 '23

Still seems like a fire hazard.

However, that holds true for burning any book while waving it around as you drive.

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u/SgvSth Jan 25 '23

Yeah, you have potentially disposal of lighted substances, throwing inflammable objects from vehicle, or some similar law. (I was more focused on the burning a specific book aspect of the comment prior to mine.)

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u/Londonforce Jan 25 '23

Is intentionally forcing a vehicle roll over a crime in Europe too?

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u/SgvSth Jan 25 '23

I was trying more to focus on the burning a specific book aspect of the comment prior to mine, but yeah there would be other laws that could apply here.

For the people in the Jeep: littering, disposal of lighted substances, throwing inflammable objects from vehicle, etc. Someone also pointed out that there are laws against intentionally insulting people for their religious beliefs or something along those lines.

For the women: Reckless driving, assault with a deadly weapon, endangerment, etc.

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u/timegoesboom Jan 25 '23

I live in Europe, this is probably Sweden; you’re allowed to burn whatever book you want as it’s a freedom of speech. When people complain about immigrant assimilation, this is more of an extreme example, but it is a bit of an issue.

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u/ooppoo0 Jan 25 '23

Damn,the concept of killing some one over the sanctity of an object is bonkers to me.

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u/a_usernameofsorts Jan 25 '23

This is in Norway, and we haven’t had any blasphemy laws or similar in quite some time. The criminal act here is probably the reckless driving etc. by the women in the Mercedes. That being said, the dude who burned the Quran is a giant somewhat famous right wing conspiracy theory spreading piece of sh#%t, so I’m not defending him in any way.

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u/FUMFVR Jan 25 '23

Throwing a flaming book out your window has to be against the law.

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u/SgvSth Jan 25 '23

I was trying more to focus on the burning a specific book aspect of the comment prior to mine, but yeah there would be other laws that could apply here: littering, disposal of lighted substances, throwing inflammable objects from vehicle, etc.

Someone also pointed out that there are laws against intentionally insulting people for their religious beliefs or something along those lines.

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u/MarcosAC420 Jan 25 '23

And it should never be, anywhere. Bible, Quran or whatever made up book people try to empower themselves with. It's ridiculous and they look like 5 yr olds exacting revenge for breaking a toy.

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u/TheEniste Jan 25 '23

In europe / at least in the Netherlands its punishable. Art. 137c Sr states that its punishable if you insult a group of people for there religious believes or they way of living / sexuality/ gender.

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u/SgvSth Jan 25 '23

I was trying more to focus on the burning a specific book aspect of the comment prior to mine, but you are correct.

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u/Pieboy8 Jan 25 '23

It definitely could be illegal in parts of Europe

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u/LessHairyPrimate Jan 25 '23

they are in Oslo, Norway

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u/fforw Jan 25 '23

Burning is not a desecration however. In fact it is one of the recommended methods to dispose of old Qurans.

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u/Iwallyster Jan 25 '23

Starting a fire in public is aganst the law

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u/BillyJoeHank Jan 25 '23

Actually it might be. While simply burning the book wouldn't be a crime, doing so in public like this would be considered insightment of hatred and breach of public order. That's the law in the UK and other countries have similar laws.

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u/IDDQD_IDKFA-com Jan 25 '23

A guy I used to work with told me back home they used to print quotes from the Quran in the newspaper. And they always did not know what to do with them.

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u/I-melted Jan 25 '23

There are laws against hate crimes.

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u/brujahonly Jan 25 '23

Not a crime, but an obvious provocation. At least they get the reactions they were aiming for.

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u/SgvSth Jan 25 '23

It has been discussed elsewhere that there are laws against intentionally insulting people for their religious beliefs or something along those lines, though I was just focusing on responding to the burning a specific book aspect of the comment prior to mine.

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u/-SNOT_bubble- Jan 25 '23

All I can think of is arson but I doubt it applies here. Seems like they had a lot more going on before the camera

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u/BrokeAnimeAddict Jan 25 '23

Imagine killing someone over your imaginary friends imaginary biographies.

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u/PAKKiMKB Jan 25 '23

yes, if these ladies are so freaked out, maybe they should try living in one of these countries.

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u/brickinthefloor Jan 25 '23

can i buy quran on toilet paper rolls so i can desecrate it every day? are there other religious texts that are this hotly fretted over? I’d like variety in my religshit if possible.

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u/BuxoBux1088 Jan 25 '23

Because those folks beginning to transform Europe to Western Arabistan, they obviously want their laws to become true here too. So many just don’t see it or close their eyes before it!

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u/BigUSAForever Jan 25 '23

Ain't no crazy like muslim crazy! They'll throw gays right off buildings and chop ppl's limbs off for simple stuff that's "offensive"... Smh.

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u/Ecronwald Jan 25 '23

It is in Norway. It is legal, in that it's free speech.

It's hate speech, and it is just causing polarization. I'm all for questioning the ethics of Islam, but this is just hate.

It's like spraying swastikas on a synagogue.

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u/traketaker Jan 25 '23

Lol definitely not in America. You see two white guys in a camo jeep. They are armed to the teeth and this encounter would have been drastically different

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u/Mattisinthezone Jan 25 '23

On one hand, that punishment is pretty extreme. On the other hand, all you have to do is not burn the Quran.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

I read earlier that burning the Quran is a halal way to dispose of an unwanted book. But if you do it out of malace it isn't respectful. think you can only bury it in the ground, moving water, or burnt it... Essentially returning it to the earth to respectfully retire a book.

Strangely it is not halal to delete a PDF version of the book.

Edit: I said haram instead of halal.

Edit 2: the topic of deleting a PDF of interestingly nuanced but not always Haram. Worth a gander, if you're interested.

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u/ChunkyTanuki Jan 25 '23

I think you mean Halal, as in approved, rather than haram (forbidden)

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

Whoops. You're right. I'll edit.

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u/Necessary-Lack-4600 Jan 25 '23

The rules are in the book but you just burned the book so we get sucked up in a back hole where Inception plays on repeat.

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u/KmartQuality Jan 25 '23

I thought halal meant that a religious bribe was paid.

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u/KingGrowl Jan 25 '23

It is just an object, paper with words. If you own it you should be able to do anything you like with it.

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u/etlucent Jan 25 '23

It’s an object with bad science and bad history, coupled with superstition and mythology. I really don’t know why we don’t treat religious people the same way we do people who believe the earth is flat.

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u/Pope_Cerebus Jan 25 '23

Well, I've never met a flat-Earther who wanted to murder me for saying the world is round. So there's one reason - the falt-Earthers are much more reasonable people.

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u/TheRogueTemplar Jan 25 '23

the falt-Earthers are much more reasonable people.

Never would I have imagined that the words flat-earther and reasonable be in the same sentence, and that sentence would be true.

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u/Dramatic-Beginning Jan 25 '23

Nonono, not reasonable. More reasonable. Big difference 😀

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u/SceneDeleted Jan 25 '23

Well they just believe the earth is flat, not that a fairy tale from the dark ages gave them permission to harm and kill

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u/weirdshit777 Jan 25 '23

They are reasonable in the sense that they don't fucking murder people who disagree with them.

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u/Far-Temperature-998 Jan 25 '23

It's too funny that y'all are right. I despise the fact that any religion would make someone contemplate hurting another human being, let alone actually do it. While flat earthers just make themselves look like fools on YouTube, nothing too serious about that besides a serious laugh.

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

Not nessicarily, many are Qultists, and there's plenty of violence there.

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u/Far-Temperature-998 Jan 25 '23

To be honest I was making my comment out of humor and ignorance in that regard, ill need to look more into things before I speak.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

Awwww if flat-earthers could read, they would be flattered by that

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u/VanillaCupkake Jan 25 '23

Because religious hegemony has always been the best way to control the masses, still effective till this day. Ever wondered why there had never been a self declared atheist leader? It’s way easier to get people on your side when you believe and spit lies about their sky daddy.

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u/Wu-Tang_Cam Jan 25 '23

Less violent, but definitely not more reasonable. There's a difference there.

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u/Tef-al Jan 25 '23

There's even some pretty big overlap in those groups

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u/chuckedunderthebus Jan 25 '23

how do you overlap crazy?

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u/Tef-al Jan 25 '23

I don't know but fundamentalist christians (who don't know the fubdamentals) of late seem to be latching onto the earth is 4000 years old and flat theories

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u/UberMisandrist Jan 25 '23

People that believe in the firmament!

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

Especially bc they're even more lethal to every society they infect.

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u/secondtaunting Jan 25 '23

Because there’s too many of them, and they have too much power and they own whole governments. That’s why. They vastly out number us non-God believing folks. And a lot of them are armed.

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u/leperbacon Jan 25 '23

Just like the Bible! They’re both from crazy Abrahamic religions.

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u/kphphr Jan 25 '23

Probably because of karma

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u/piss_artist Jan 25 '23

Because there are still too many of them. At least that's slowly changing in the West at least.

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u/Redking211 Jan 25 '23

if 70% of world pop would believe the earth is flat ud be burned at the stake for suggesting otherwise. Funnily i know a flat earther man gives the most rеtarded justifications. Ohh on planes its all the lens that makes the earth look flat, it's all a conspiracy, some arctic treaty. His belief is so thick that even a basic argument of logic cant get to him.

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u/VegemiteAnalLube Jan 25 '23

Some of us do.

The wife and I are more or less estranged from both our families over the matter. lol

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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jan 25 '23

Oh boy let me tell you about this “bible” the christies get worked up about…

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u/AggressiveConcert56 Jan 25 '23

as radical as some Christians can be nothing compares to out-of-control Muslims are and the amount of pandering and bending over we do not to offend them.

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u/Original_Employee621 Jan 25 '23

I don't know, I wouldn't want to publicly burn a Bible in the bible-belt of the US. Those people are a special kind of rabid about that book too.

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u/Now_In_Colour_ Jan 25 '23

I know plenty of Christians and none would harm you for destroying a bible maybe be a bit judgemental

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u/TheHolyImbaness Jan 25 '23

Christians used to, they just did what Islam could not at one point, they won.

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u/Dropbeatdad Jan 25 '23

I know plenty of Christians who would. Really doesn't matter the religion all of them have their extremists along with their good practitioners.

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u/secondtaunting Jan 25 '23

I dunno, I’m from the Midwest and if a bunch of guys showed up in front of a mega church and started a Bible bonfire, I’d put good money on something ugly going down. Maybe not shot, but threatened and probably beat up. Or just prayed out really loudly. Depends on the church.

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u/Henrys_Bro Jan 25 '23

Remember that time those christies got worked up about someone drawing Jesus?

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u/Zorbie Jan 25 '23

Those women are psychos, and people would be saying that if it was a bible or any other book.

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u/DirteeCanuck Jan 25 '23

Islamaphobia:

In Iran If I don’t practice sharia laws, I won’t get an education, I get jailed, lashes, beaten up and kicked out from my country. In the West I’m told, sharing my story will cause Islamophobia.

Phobia is an irrational fear but my fear of Islamic ideology is rational.

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u/General_Feature1036 Jan 25 '23

Oh they share the story np bud, trust.

Also it is fine to do so. Attacking people is a line you don't cross even if someone says something you don't like

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u/No_Caregiver1890 Jan 25 '23

All religious books are. Imagine going to prison for a book lol

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u/KingGrowl Jan 25 '23

Shit, these wackos will start entire wars over their silly little magic books.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

The American flag is just an object with bars of color. It has rules about how you're supposed to dispose of it too.

It's just a respect thing.

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u/i_706_i Jan 25 '23

Nothing wrong with burning a flag as a form or protest, or a book (assuming its your own anyway). Personally I actually love it as a form of protest, it is simple, evocative, and causes absolutely no harm.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

I don't think there's anything wrong with it either. But there are still rules that apply to some people who own/use them.

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u/i_706_i Jan 25 '23

I don't think there are rules, just meaningless recommendations that come from a cultural standpoint rather than a legal one. I could say it's disrespectful to not salute the flag every time you see it, but it doesn't have any meaning behind it and you have no reason to listen or obey.

'The flag of the United States is sometimes burned as a cultural or political statement, in protest of the policies of the U.S. government, or for other reasons, both within the U.S. and abroad. The United States Supreme Court in Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), and reaffirmed in U.S. v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990), has ruled that due to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, it is unconstitutional for a government (whether federal, state, or municipal) to prohibit the desecration of a flag, due to its status as "symbolic speech."'

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u/cottonfist Jan 25 '23

Rules without consequences are like me getting up everyday.

What's the point?

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u/rmonjay Jan 25 '23

It does not really have “rules.” The flag code applies to the US government and no one else. If you buy your own American flag, you can do whatever you want to it.

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u/Shtona_0402 Jan 25 '23

It’s disrespectful, and the guy was clearly showing it off to piss someone off

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u/teeBoan Jan 25 '23

But if you do it out of malace it isn't respectful

Being disrespectful is not a crime. Muslims should understand that. This is exactly why people judge them. They get too triggered.

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u/hagenbuch Jan 25 '23

Sooner or later someone will have to make "Schrödinger's Quran" in order to see what happens.

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

So...do you just burn down the device where you access the PDF? The building in which you use the device?

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u/VegemiteAnalLube Jan 25 '23

Strangely it is not halal to delete a PDF version of the book.

"Error: You have to burn the hard drive in the fires of Mount Doom to unmake Quran.pdf"

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u/Ben-A-Flick Jan 25 '23

It amazes me how people make up rules as they go for this stuff and don't see for one second that what they are doing is a small scale version of the books they believe in.

Remember up until 15 years ago the catholic church said limbo existed where all babies who weren't baptized went....then all of a sudden it is gone! And limbo was only created in the middle ages. Before that all babies went to hell who weren't baptized. If any religious person really studied the history of their religion they would be an atheist.

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u/Optimal_End_9733 Jan 25 '23

Yeah it is, but it's the intention isn't it?

Like the N word. Black person says it its in love etc, a white person says it wearing confederate or nazi symbol then it hits different.

Context is important. Without context the N word means nothing. Like wise invading Muslim countries killing millions, all while blaming Muslims.... Then burning the quran to insult us. That's a context.

Truth is Muslims and Islam is here to stay. We are a part of western society as well. Burning Quran is an act of desperation.

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u/eenho73 Jan 25 '23

Dumb rules... it's a book printed billions of times... it's not sacred

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u/rougecrayon Jan 25 '23

That's because nothing you delete is ever really gone...

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u/edgha Jan 25 '23

burning is the right way to dispose

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u/ehhish Jan 25 '23

I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing and going to accept the consequences.

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u/mandalorian_in_us Jan 25 '23

Can it be viewed as hate crime?

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u/Songshiquan0411 Jan 25 '23

Yeah, this guy seems like a bigoted dick who loves to rabble-rouse(plus, who burns books and thinks they're the good guy?) but that response was not appropriate. The women need to be arrested.

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u/whorton59 Jan 25 '23

Gotta remember that is in Europe. . they don't have a First Amendment like the United States. Recall to, what happened after the Charlie Hebdo cartoons issue. . Members of the Religion blew up the newspapers office.

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u/-O-0-0-O- Jan 25 '23

Europeans aren't exactly allowed assualt or kill people for burning religious icons though.

Everyone in that video was a raging asshole.

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u/whorton59 Jan 25 '23

Tell that to Theo Van Gogh. . .Or Lee Rigby. Or these three French Citizens:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54729957

Or these three people who were on a French Flight:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_8969

Or these 193 people in Spain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

Sadly, the list is much, much longer. . .

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u/SarpedonWasFramed Jan 25 '23

Or getting arrested for holding a sign saying that Prince guy is a Pedro.

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u/ChronicMasterBaiting Jan 25 '23

He wishes he was a Pedro.

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u/whorton59 Jan 25 '23

Freedom of speech is a bitch. . . Sad to say a lot of people cannot stand that idea.

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u/teplightyear Jan 25 '23

Don't you talk about Prince Pedro that way!

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u/Davosssss Jan 25 '23

Yeah sure freedom was invented by you guys

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u/jrh038 Jan 25 '23

Yeah sure freedom was invented by you guys

Doesn't America have more expansive freedom of speech laws compared to Europe?

Does Reddit only do anti-American circlejerks?

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u/Davosssss Jan 25 '23

Yes USA puts a lot more emphasis on personal freedom vs societies interest, which means personal freedom of speech is more easily sacrificed in EU countries in certain situations. This however doesn't mean EU countries dont have the same laws that's in the first amendment.

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u/Imagine-Summer Jan 25 '23

Doesn't America have

Actual slavery in its constitution as law.

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u/whorton59 Jan 25 '23

So, what is your point? Does that bother you that people have a right to burn religious books even if it offends someone here?

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u/Davosssss Jan 25 '23

My point is that European countries also have freedom of expression and religion in their constitutions

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u/LostOnTheRiver718 Jan 25 '23

Sure sure… but also Europe Is Home To Some Of The World’s Most Incomprehensible Constitutions.

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u/whorton59 Jan 25 '23

While some offer what I would call lip service to freedom of religion and freedom of expression (Speech, Press, etc.) None offer the degree that the American Constitutional protections do. . . .

Consider for instance, that fact that there are holdings that someone can burn a bible (or Qu'ran) in public, and it is held to be freedom of speech. . .While just the Charlie Hebdo Cartoon's resulted in a fatal attack on the office, with 12 Killed and 11 injured, by Mohammadan's (yes, I know there is a "better" term, but sometime there are overly zealous moderators who object to the mention of that religion) And while France has arrested those who were responsible, the prosecution has been less than profound.

But needless to say, when there were calls to "avenge" the publications cartoons, (which were partly based on the publication of the image of Mohammad) There was not much of a response from the French government admonishing Mohammadan's that attacks on the freedom of individuals to criticize the religion would not be tolerated. Nor has any other European Union country been as forceful in ensuring their citizenry's right to criticize other religions. . .

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u/AngelKnives Jan 25 '23

Yeah exactly. Great example. They were free to print the cartoon and did not get arrested.

It wasn't the police/government who got all shooty about it.

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u/SuperiorZexcess Jan 25 '23

Does freedom of speech protect you from a lunatic's mass shooting because they disagreed with what you said?

Not having your first amendment does not mean there's no free speech 🤦‍♂️

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u/iMossa Jan 25 '23

Just have to add, bombing is still illegal in Europe.

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u/slippery-fische Jan 25 '23

Actually, there are a couple laws broken. The first and most obvious is littering on public property. The second is setting fire to another's property, if it causes damage (likely to that granite), is a misdemeanor in many places. If the fire spreads or harms someone, then it becomes a felony, but given the green grass, this is unlikely.

There's also questions of a hate crime nature. This person isn't just burning rubbish in their backyard, their burning in public intending to incite others and knowingly provoking them. I mean, you can see in the comments in this thread that atheists just want to violate others.

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u/rougecrayon Jan 25 '23

Ya, but hate crimes are against the law and burning a quaran in public as a pattern (which is happening right now by PEGIDA is this part of that?) sure sounds like a hate crime.

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