r/PublicFreakout • u/ImYourRealDadHey • Jan 24 '23

2 lady’s flipping a guys car after he burnt the Quran Repost 😔

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u/saltyeleven Jan 25 '23

Me too! Kind of disappointed now.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

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u/Drago1214 Jan 25 '23

I don’t think burning a book is against any laws but they sure committed a crime.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

I read earlier that burning the Quran is a halal way to dispose of an unwanted book. But if you do it out of malace it isn't respectful. think you can only bury it in the ground, moving water, or burnt it... Essentially returning it to the earth to respectfully retire a book.

Strangely it is not halal to delete a PDF version of the book.

Edit: I said haram instead of halal.

Edit 2: the topic of deleting a PDF of interestingly nuanced but not always Haram. Worth a gander, if you're interested.

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u/ChunkyTanuki Jan 25 '23

I think you mean Halal, as in approved, rather than haram (forbidden)

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

Whoops. You're right. I'll edit.

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u/Necessary-Lack-4600 Jan 25 '23

The rules are in the book but you just burned the book so we get sucked up in a back hole where Inception plays on repeat.

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u/KmartQuality Jan 25 '23

I thought halal meant that a religious bribe was paid.

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u/1i73rz Jan 25 '23

I thought a haram was the sex crew. I'm confused.

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u/tipsystatistic Jan 25 '23

Halal on the streets, haram in the sheets.

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u/Bro9water Jan 25 '23

That's a harem

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u/Necessary-Lack-4600 Jan 26 '23

Religion be like: all the fun stuff is illegal except for rich dudes

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u/KingGrowl Jan 25 '23

It is just an object, paper with words. If you own it you should be able to do anything you like with it.

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u/etlucent Jan 25 '23

It’s an object with bad science and bad history, coupled with superstition and mythology. I really don’t know why we don’t treat religious people the same way we do people who believe the earth is flat.

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u/Pope_Cerebus Jan 25 '23

Well, I've never met a flat-Earther who wanted to murder me for saying the world is round. So there's one reason - the falt-Earthers are much more reasonable people.

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u/TheRogueTemplar Jan 25 '23

the falt-Earthers are much more reasonable people.

Never would I have imagined that the words flat-earther and reasonable be in the same sentence, and that sentence would be true.

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u/Dramatic-Beginning Jan 25 '23

Nonono, not reasonable. More reasonable. Big difference 😀

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u/SceneDeleted Jan 25 '23

Well they just believe the earth is flat, not that a fairy tale from the dark ages gave them permission to harm and kill

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u/General_Feature1036 Jan 25 '23

It's a lot worse than just that

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u/weirdshit777 Jan 25 '23

They are reasonable in the sense that they don't fucking murder people who disagree with them.

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u/Far-Temperature-998 Jan 25 '23

It's too funny that y'all are right. I despise the fact that any religion would make someone contemplate hurting another human being, let alone actually do it. While flat earthers just make themselves look like fools on YouTube, nothing too serious about that besides a serious laugh.

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

Not nessicarily, many are Qultists, and there's plenty of violence there.

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u/Far-Temperature-998 Jan 25 '23

To be honest I was making my comment out of humor and ignorance in that regard, ill need to look more into things before I speak.

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u/neotekka Jan 25 '23

Duvets FTW!

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

They are the best. Although I really appreciate a hand made quilt, as long as a Qanon Qultist hasn't made it.

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u/offlein Jan 25 '23

words flat-earther

To be fair, the sentence didn't say "flat-earther".

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

Awwww if flat-earthers could read, they would be flattered by that

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u/VanillaCupkake Jan 25 '23

Because religious hegemony has always been the best way to control the masses, still effective till this day. Ever wondered why there had never been a self declared atheist leader? It’s way easier to get people on your side when you believe and spit lies about their sky daddy.

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u/Wu-Tang_Cam Jan 25 '23

Less violent, but definitely not more reasonable. There's a difference there.

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u/TheEniste Jan 25 '23

You are missing the point. These people provoke. Yeah do whatever you like: it becomes an issue if you do it in front of people and call them bad things.

If you don’t believe, sure mate don’t. If you have a different opinion sure mate have it. If you don’t like that book, sure don’t buy it / read it.

But why buy it to burn it in front of people who worships it ? Why call them out with bad words ? Well then you are just asking for it.

Noting wrong here imo, he got what he asked for.

If he respectfully wanted to make a statement im pretty sure all of this would have not happend. They just do this because they know its going to happen, so they after can say: see they are bad people.

Just creating content to feed its own toxic agenda. Weird people really

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u/FitSeaworthiness9860 Jan 25 '23

He literally did it to prove that some percentage of the believers were gonna have an extreme reaction and they probably will threaten his life, which he was right about. I think if you do something out of fun, or when you do something to prove a point is two very different things. And seems to me the point is proven here. Obviously no one wants to hurt these people, yet he burned some PAPER in front of them and that was enough for them to switch into beast mode... Kind of a bad way to react..

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u/TheEniste Jan 25 '23

Its provoking.

And expected. I can get the same reaction from jews. Or from people who don’t believe. People who are living a live as a different gender, from anyone.

Thats the hole point of provoking. Especially when targets are in groups and feel more secure.

There is noting to be amazed about it.

There are tons of videos on the internet where one guy keeps on bullying. One day hes target gets enough of the bully and starts to hit him.

Its the same. Just because you bully them with there religion does not make there religion harmful.

Its a natural reaction everyone gets after one point

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u/FitSeaworthiness9860 Jan 25 '23

If you provoke someone what do you think is the civilised reaction? Well obviously it's not flipping a car. Don't talk to me like there was anything more I was trying to say. Obviously it's not good to provoke and I don't stand by it, but is responding to provocation like this any better? No it's the same childlike stupidity all the way round

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u/General_Feature1036 Jan 25 '23

Could have very easily been homicide. What if the jeep spun out into a van of four innocent non-whites? Suddenly everything is different somehow

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u/FitSeaworthiness9860 Jan 25 '23

Exactly. It's one thing to provoke but it's another thing to respond to the provocation, and this is just simply not the right way. Fight hate with hate, and you'll achieve the opposite effect than you should. They basically proved his point by attacking him...

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u/TheEniste Jan 25 '23

Flipping a car might be a little to rational.

But all im saying don’t be surprised or amazed when people turn into violence after you provoke them. Also don’t blame it on the religion, because it has noting to do with it.

If the guy did not burn or provoke, noting would have happend. People don’t attack you for no reason or just because there religion call up on it. they don’t burn down your village, they won’t chop of your head arm or legs just because they are religious.

Everyone can walk save and well outside, unless you provoke them. Then blaming that on there religion is just stupid. The reason for violence is not there religion but other people’s action that have asked for it.

Im not saying taking violence is a good thing. But i can at least understand to not blame it on a religion.

All this is just content created to feed ones agenda, a agenda to call up on violence en then blame it on others. Don’t fall for stuff like this.

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u/FitSeaworthiness9860 Jan 25 '23

What makes you think I'm surprised or blaming anything on religion? Here I am explaining the third time that the cause for all of this is people's stupidity, and yes, the one party is equally stupid as the other. Case closed

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u/General_Feature1036 Jan 25 '23

" People don’t attack you for no reason or just because there religion call up on it. "

Cmon, seriously? Do you live on earth?

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u/DontHaesMeBro Jan 26 '23

there's no doubt in my mind that that guy's a conservative fuckwit. But you're making a huge point FOR him by defending this bullshit. It's not a muslim country. burn a whole stack of holy books to keep warm and draw muhammed fucking santa on the wall with the ashes, it's fine, nothing happens.

Acting like there's any parity, at all, between burning a quaran he bought at a bookstore and assaulting him is just handing justification to the "go home if you like the rules there so much" crowd.

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u/TheEniste Jan 26 '23

Islam is not bound to a nation. Everybody can become one. So an American can be a Muslim or a German / Dutch. you don’t have to be in Iran , Iraq of wherever to be one.

To say go to …. elsewhere does not apply here. You play with fire, don’t cry if you get burned.

Action / Reaction

Its that simple

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u/DontHaesMeBro Jan 26 '23

See that's what I'm talking about

These are a *secular* countries. You can be any religion in them, but your right to enforce your religion ends *literally at your own person*

That's it.

I know tons of american muslims and you know what? they all seem to get that we don't really need to constantly evangelize each other about the one true way, and that they can do their own shit.

Guy might as well be burning harry potter or something, it's a brick of paper. if god cared it would rain. Telling muslims they have to play by the same rules as everyone else is not "playing with fire."

If you think the guy is a white supremacist, go turn him in, don't run him over, not for burning a book, you just look like a clown.

He touches somebody, lay him out. He does this all the time in muslim neighborhoods until it takes on the tone of say, burning a cross in the US? Call the cops.

But YOUR iconography is not sacred to anyone else. There's simply no requirement to per se respect it. Your religion says you can't burn it, so YOU shouldn't. The rest of us can light cigarettes off it if we want.

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u/TheEniste Jan 26 '23

You are missing the point.

Yes you can use it to light your cigarette. And when you use it, you expect your cigarette to light up. Thats why you are using it.

These guys do not burn it to light up there cigarette. The hole point of burning that book out there, and letting them know in advance that you are going to burn a holy book, is to provoke.

They expect that some douch is going to ruin it, so they can say: see Islam is bad!

I agree they should not turn over cars, they should not harm others. They should have just ignored the whole meeting and send them te message: we do not care.

But there are always those people you know, that just fuck it up for all.

And this should not be blamed up on the religion itself.

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u/DontHaesMeBro Jan 27 '23

Literally what I said to begin with?

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u/ClassroomDisastrous3 Jan 25 '23

If you go by that premise you should hate everybody. Because people kill for everything. Even for love.

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u/LDKCP Jan 25 '23

You know, as much as I hate religion, they aren't.

Religious people are usually taught from a very very young age about their Gods. Their entire community is telling them the same things. The people they respect, the people they love, their schools. The very people who taught them how to talk, read and write. Them people also taught them sincerely, they fully believe themselves. It's ingrained in their culture, the media they consume, their faith often brings them purpose and comfort.

Flat earthers don't generally grow up in multi generational households and communities that teach them. They went the same schools as everybody else, watched Bill Nye as a kid.

Some idiots made YouTube videos and they decided to believe them over literally everybody else who has ever studied science or been on a plane.

Religious people aren't unreasonable for having faith given how many of them were raised.

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u/Tef-al Jan 25 '23

There's even some pretty big overlap in those groups

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u/chuckedunderthebus Jan 25 '23

how do you overlap crazy?

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u/Tef-al Jan 25 '23

I don't know but fundamentalist christians (who don't know the fubdamentals) of late seem to be latching onto the earth is 4000 years old and flat theories

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u/Independent-Fall-893 Jan 25 '23

Fold end to end.

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u/SceneDeleted Jan 25 '23

Mobius strip of crazy

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u/UberMisandrist Jan 25 '23

People that believe in the firmament!

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

Especially bc they're even more lethal to every society they infect.

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u/secondtaunting Jan 25 '23

Because there’s too many of them, and they have too much power and they own whole governments. That’s why. They vastly out number us non-God believing folks. And a lot of them are armed.

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u/leperbacon Jan 25 '23

Just like the Bible! They’re both from crazy Abrahamic religions.

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u/kphphr Jan 25 '23

Probably because of karma

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u/piss_artist Jan 25 '23

Because there are still too many of them. At least that's slowly changing in the West at least.

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u/Redking211 Jan 25 '23

if 70% of world pop would believe the earth is flat ud be burned at the stake for suggesting otherwise. Funnily i know a flat earther man gives the most rеtarded justifications. Ohh on planes its all the lens that makes the earth look flat, it's all a conspiracy, some arctic treaty. His belief is so thick that even a basic argument of logic cant get to him.

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u/Brock_Way Jan 25 '23

Not knowing any flat-earthers myself, I'd be interested in the arguments, no matter how dim. I have a couple of main avenues of approach though, and I wonder what is the answer:

  1. These jets that fly from, for example, Dallas to London will fly almost over the southern edge of Greenland. Why doesn't someone start an airline and save all that fuel cost by flying in a straight line instead of that giant-assed arc? Was there also a "flying in a giant-assed arc treaty"?
  2. Why hasn't anyone traveled as close as possible to the edge of the earth, and then mounted a drone with a camera to fly out and take pictures of the edge of the earth?

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u/Redking211 Jan 25 '23

I asked 2, his argument was some Antarctic treaty and that noone is allowed to go there. He believes that rather than having North pole and South pole with ice, instead we are surrounded with ice and live in a centre where all the continent's are. I've made a point that Russians literally went from Siberia to Alaska he said its fake.

I also argued than how come moon is a sphere, moon is fake too eventhough u can see it with naked eye or a good telescope but telescopes are a conspiracy cause they use a curved lenses lol.

nothing gets through him no common sence argument, he went down the rabbit hole, too deep, you don't come back from that, you won't be the same.

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u/VegemiteAnalLube Jan 25 '23

Some of us do.

The wife and I are more or less estranged from both our families over the matter. lol

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

Expound, please.

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u/benacheck69 Jan 25 '23

Have you even read it?? Why are you showing people your ignorant illiterate? Quran is 100% scientifically accurate ...

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u/Giuseppe_Lombardo007 Jan 25 '23

What exactly do you believe in?

Here is something for you, Maybe in your mind I can't prove GOD, but you CANNOT disprove it either!

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

Right, bc its impossible to disprove something that defies observation. To be proven, objectivity must be used. You must be able to see/touch/smell/taste/ect or detect the thing you want to determine the existence of. Consensus reality dictates that we must have a shared observation for something to be real.

Your god requires suspension of disbelief, giving up objectivity, instead deciding to believe something that cannot be detected by anyone, anywhere, is a real and valid part of our consensus reality.

Not my job to deprogram you.

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u/Giuseppe_Lombardo007 Jan 26 '23

Not my job to deprogram you.

What do you this is the Matrix.

You haven't even read the book yourself. You're just basing it off of what others have said most likely.

Explain to me how a 1400-year-old text can know scientific facts that are proven in the modern world...Let me answer this for you YOU can't so all you do is DISLIKE and talk trash rather than coming up with a something that makes sense.

Do your research before you reply

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u/dunimal Jan 26 '23

Deprogramming: the terminology used when referring to reversing religious indoctrination.

Lol which book? I had to read most of them in comparative religion class in uni. Are you talking about the Koran?

IDK what specific scientific facts you're referring to, either, but science has been a thing as long as religion, even when it went by other names, like alchemy. The olde tymey Islamic world. In the 10th century, Islamic mathematicians were creating algebra, scientists were creating the camera obscura model of how the eye works, and engineers were creating surgical instruments. The idea that a book written about one of the only subjects allowed, by learned men who are the only ones capable of such writing and publishing would some how not include overlapping subject knowledge by the same authors is ridiculous.

Get a fucking grip on reality before you...live bruh. JFC.

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u/LostOnTheRiver718 Jan 25 '23

Now we are talking

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u/jazzcomplete Jan 25 '23

I do. That is to say I bear them no malice but I consider them to be fundamentally deluded.

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u/MonsterHunterNewbie Jan 25 '23

So is Alice in wonderland.

What exactly is the 'free speech' part by going out of his way to intentionally troll?

If the same guy was burning a drive by burning a Torah then it would be obvious what it was 'hate speech'.

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u/Ill_Pack_A_Llama Jan 25 '23

We do and then they flatten buildings

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u/IDCFFSGTFO Jan 25 '23

Mostly because there aren't over a billion flat-earthers.

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u/Peace-Bread-Land Jan 25 '23

Do you go around harassing and provoking them, using KKK style intimidation tactics?

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u/SandwichSaint Jan 25 '23

Same reason we don’t ban alcohol, it’s been around way too long and is too entrenched in human culture.

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u/IllusionofLife007 Jan 25 '23

Who cares about peoples beleifs, if you treat people differently based on their beleif, you're just contributing to worst side of humans.

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u/etlucent Jan 26 '23

Of course you should treat people differently on their beliefs lol. How can you even be serious?! Think about some other peoples beliefs or habits you find disgusting or harmful. Is that someone you want to spend time with? Someone you want in your home? Someone you want watching you daughter! Or having your children attend their school? You sure you don’t want that comment back?

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u/IllusionofLife007 Jan 27 '23

Well I like to be happy, so it's not something I think about you know? Either way I try not think negatively about people, regardless of their beliefs and doings.

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u/neotekka Jan 25 '23

Well I do think of religious people as having a mental health problem. This is just to myself and I wouldn't do anything about it, I'd just be wary of this.

There are plenty of people in society with mental health problems that are able to interact nicely with the rest of scociety and are often useful/helpful. Not all are of course!

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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jan 25 '23

Oh boy let me tell you about this “bible” the christies get worked up about…

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u/AggressiveConcert56 Jan 25 '23

as radical as some Christians can be nothing compares to out-of-control Muslims are and the amount of pandering and bending over we do not to offend them.

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u/Original_Employee621 Jan 25 '23

I don't know, I wouldn't want to publicly burn a Bible in the bible-belt of the US. Those people are a special kind of rabid about that book too.

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u/AggressiveConcert56 Jan 25 '23

not anywhere nearly as bad as just your typical muslim though. draw a picture of Muhamad and post it all over your social media see if u dont have 10 million ppl calling for you to executed and atleast a few hundred start plotting to actually kill you

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u/BongDie Jan 25 '23

We have an entire party to coddle them

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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jan 25 '23

Eh, Muslim’s got a head start that’s all.

You can’t tell me all the Christi-fascism we see in the US now isn’t leading to exactly the same place.

Give it a couple of decades continuing the way it has and you’ll be just as hanged-for-being-an-infidel in Florida as you would Kabul.

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u/Now_In_Colour_ Jan 25 '23

I know plenty of Christians and none would harm you for destroying a bible maybe be a bit judgemental

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u/TheHolyImbaness Jan 25 '23

Christians used to, they just did what Islam could not at one point, they won.

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u/Original_Employee621 Jan 25 '23

Given that we're in the year 1444 AH, by the Islamic calendar, and given what Christianity was up to around the same time. We just really need to give them a couple more centuries to chill out.

Judaism is in the year of 5783, so they've been chill about it for a while by comparison.

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u/Dropbeatdad Jan 25 '23

I know plenty of Christians who would. Really doesn't matter the religion all of them have their extremists along with their good practitioners.

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u/secondtaunting Jan 25 '23

I dunno, I’m from the Midwest and if a bunch of guys showed up in front of a mega church and started a Bible bonfire, I’d put good money on something ugly going down. Maybe not shot, but threatened and probably beat up. Or just prayed out really loudly. Depends on the church.

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jan 25 '23

Yeah they just burn down planned parenthood.

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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jan 25 '23

Christians would never resort to violence purely in defence of their faith, in the modern age?

Dr David Gunn would like a word. Or, you know, he would have if he hadn’t been murdered by a Christie.

Ps: pleeeeenty of Muslim’s wouldn’t kill you for defiling the Quran either. Don’t forget we’re talking about extremists of both religions.

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u/General_Feature1036 Jan 25 '23

Christie sounds derogatory

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

That's a laugh.

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u/Henrys_Bro Jan 25 '23

Remember that time those christies got worked up about someone drawing Jesus?

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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jan 25 '23

Remember that time Christians murdered doctors providing health care because their special little book (and the grifters attaching themselves to it) lied to them about conception?

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u/Henrys_Bro Jan 25 '23

Yeah, pretty wild. Didn't Jesus also have child brides?

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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jan 25 '23

I’m pretty sure Jesus didn’t marry.

You might be thinking of his followers who have ensured child marriage laws in the US are so woeful 300,000 children were married between 2000 and 2018, with the youngest at 10? That’s probably got you confused.

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u/Henrys_Bro Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

That sounds about right. These religious nutjobs and their books they are willing to kill over, amarite? To be fair, getting bunched up over drawing a picture of someone is less justified than the assumption of "killing children". It's like "Yeah, it isn't killing children but at least your little heart is in the right place".

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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P Jan 25 '23

That’s fair, I wouldn’t want to try and justify killing people over a drawing, but as a non-religious person it’s pretty straight forward for me to point at the books of fairytales either group prefers and grasp that any actions driven by them are ridiculous.

And that really gets to the crux of the issue. Yes, the US is not as bad as Afghanistan or Iraq. Yet. But effectively the entire US entire ruling class are practicing Christian’s, and increasingly, political decisions are being made by those that have utterly subsumed the “teachings of Christ” and warped them into “I must force everyone else to exist in, and relate to, the world around us specifically as taught by the current translation of my preferred ancient book. This is exactly how Muslim’s ended up with their revolution that saw hardliners take control and the kind of extremism we now associate the whole religion with. I see no reason to think of Fundamentalist Christianity is allowed to carry on down the path it’s on (and to be clear, absolutely no one is trying to stop it) you won’t see the same thing just with a different cover on their book.

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u/Zorbie Jan 25 '23

Those women are psychos, and people would be saying that if it was a bible or any other book.

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u/DirteeCanuck Jan 25 '23

Islamaphobia:

In Iran If I don’t practice sharia laws, I won’t get an education, I get jailed, lashes, beaten up and kicked out from my country. In the West I’m told, sharing my story will cause Islamophobia.

Phobia is an irrational fear but my fear of Islamic ideology is rational.

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u/General_Feature1036 Jan 25 '23

Oh they share the story np bud, trust.

Also it is fine to do so. Attacking people is a line you don't cross even if someone says something you don't like

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u/No_Caregiver1890 Jan 25 '23

All religious books are. Imagine going to prison for a book lol

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u/KingGrowl Jan 25 '23

Shit, these wackos will start entire wars over their silly little magic books.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

The American flag is just an object with bars of color. It has rules about how you're supposed to dispose of it too.

It's just a respect thing.

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u/i_706_i Jan 25 '23

Nothing wrong with burning a flag as a form or protest, or a book (assuming its your own anyway). Personally I actually love it as a form of protest, it is simple, evocative, and causes absolutely no harm.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

I don't think there's anything wrong with it either. But there are still rules that apply to some people who own/use them.

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u/i_706_i Jan 25 '23

I don't think there are rules, just meaningless recommendations that come from a cultural standpoint rather than a legal one. I could say it's disrespectful to not salute the flag every time you see it, but it doesn't have any meaning behind it and you have no reason to listen or obey.

'The flag of the United States is sometimes burned as a cultural or political statement, in protest of the policies of the U.S. government, or for other reasons, both within the U.S. and abroad. The United States Supreme Court in Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), and reaffirmed in U.S. v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990), has ruled that due to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, it is unconstitutional for a government (whether federal, state, or municipal) to prohibit the desecration of a flag, due to its status as "symbolic speech."'

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u/cottonfist Jan 25 '23

Rules without consequences are like me getting up everyday.

What's the point?

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

I'm grateful that you got up:)

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u/rmonjay Jan 25 '23

It does not really have “rules.” The flag code applies to the US government and no one else. If you buy your own American flag, you can do whatever you want to it.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

Just like the rules of the Quran, they're not exactly binding to anyone who isn't of the faith. It's a perfect comparison imo.

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u/Vancandybestcandy Jan 25 '23

except one gets people killed and hurt on a regular and the other just makes people clutch their pearls.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

Fair. I've seen some extreme videos of Americans reacting violently towards flag burners or stompers - but that's far less likely to happen than if you disrespect a quran.

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u/Bageezax Jan 25 '23

It's a terrible comparison because if one burns a flag maybe a few Maga folks yell at you. Burn a quran and entire countries worth of people want to, and some WILL, kill you over an imagined problem.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

I've seen plenty of videos of people getting jumped / assumed for 'flag desecration'. Definitely not the same severity as quran burning - but that's not exactly the point. Both of these items have rules of how to dispose of them that aren't binding to everyone. You can do whatever you want with the stuff you buy. Idgaf ¯⁠⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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u/General_Feature1036 Jan 25 '23

Do you know that book says about treatment of those who don't adhere to thr teachings?

Didn't think so lol

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u/TinyTaters Jan 26 '23

Uhm... Everyone does. There have been wars about killing infidels as long as history has been recorded.

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u/General_Feature1036 Jan 26 '23

Love thy neighbour is hardly "murder the infidels down to the last" so uhm. Yeah.

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u/Shtona_0402 Jan 25 '23

It’s disrespectful, and the guy was clearly showing it off to piss someone off

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

In most countries I can’t burn a flag, bibles or other religious texts, pictures of beloved or sacred people, or anything in public like this. It isn’t absurd that burning something causes a big reaction.

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u/Manic157 Jan 25 '23

Well, it really depends on the object.

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u/hagenbuch Jan 25 '23

Even worse: Your rules might not apply in other countries.

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u/WrongdoerMinimum100 Jan 25 '23

It's also just a metal box with tires, if you own it you should be able to use it to flip other metal boxes with tires. I wish it was just a fucking book, but "just words" are what lead to almost everything that ever happened in humanity, don't pretend you're naive.

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u/KingGrowl Jan 25 '23

What a stupid take. So then by your logic he would have been fine beating these Muslims with their magic book? Obviously not right. When I say you should be able to do anything I obviously mean within reason, attacking someone is not reasonable and it's also illegal. I'm fine with people being so ignorant they believe the universe was created by magic, but you keep those beliefs to yourself and don't attack people because you're an emotional child.

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u/Quantity_Lanky Jan 25 '23

a national flag is also an object, a piece of cloth with some colored bands or images on it but if you own one you certainly aren't allowed to do anything you like with it (in public)

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u/KingGrowl Jan 25 '23

aren't allowed to do anything you like with it

Says who?

" The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the government cannot prohibit citizens from desecrating the American flag. "

Stop trying to defend violent, religious nutjobs with arguments you haven't even thought through properly.

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u/BodybuilderBulky2897 Jan 25 '23

And those ladies ownes that car so they simply did what they wanted to with it

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u/KingGrowl Jan 25 '23

Clearly I meant anything within reason. By your (bad) logic this man would have been within his rights to simply beat these Muslim women with their silly magic book. Use your head.

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u/BodybuilderBulky2897 Jan 26 '23

Actually yes that can happen. It's like you said he owns it he can do what he wants with it. It would be a bad idea but it's still something he could do. On your logic he can do whatever he wants with what he owns so the woman should be able to do whatever they want with what they own just because one is more extreme doesn't make it invalid. Says a lot about you if you believe burning a book of belief in public is within reason

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u/IntegratedSSR Jan 25 '23

To you, it is. To many Muslims, it isn't.

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u/Bageezax Jan 25 '23

It's still just a book. Their feeling do not change that at all.

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u/IntegratedSSR Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

To them, it's not "just a book". To them, it's the word of God, and should be treated with respect. They don't believe the same thing you believe, but when someone is being purposely harassed and disrespected at the core of what a person feels is their identity, don't be surprised when they react in a way you wouldn't have. That's why you always should try to treat people with dignity and respect instead of going out of your way to antagonize or hurt people.

It's like someone coming up and spitting in your mom's face. Someone could say, "it's just a person, though." But she isn't just a person to you, she's your mom.

We, as people, place certain value on things, and when someone goes out of their way to desecrate them, some people will have a very strong reaction.

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u/Bageezax Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

But in REALITY, it is a book. His book.

It is NOTHING like spitting in my mom's face. A) she is sadly dead, so that would be difficult and B) it would be more like getting hot and bothered about me spitting in my OWN face.

Trying to equate a mass produced stack of paper with a human being is peak dumb.

Feelings don't change reality. Lots of idiots "feel" the election was stolen, but have no evidence. They can "sincerely believe " it all day, and they are still wrong. They certainly don't need to be coddled or respected for it.

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u/IntegratedSSR Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

No, it isn't like getting upset about spitting in your own face, because you matter to you, not someone else. That's why someone spitting in your mom's face is a good example, because she matters to you.

Sorry for your mom's passing, but dead or alive, that's not the point. Apply the same example to someone who matters more to you than anything who's still living, then.

You keep wanting to reduce what matters to other people because it doesn't matter to you. That's not really helpful to the conversation.

Religion is a powerful thing and it matters to people, whether it's real or not. Personally, I dislike all religions, but that doesn't mean everyone else does or should. The point is that it's wrong to go out of your way to deeply offend someone, especially when it's based on what they believe to be the most important thing to them in the universe. You won't know how they'll react, and it may be violent.

Feelings DO change reality. Your reality and someone else's reality are different. That's why there are two sides to every story.

Put down the Ben Shapiro podcast. Feelings absolutely matter. If they didn't, we would have evolved without them. Conflicts would never exist. Love wouldn't be a thing. People wouldn't have dreams for their future. Empathy wouldn't exist. Feelings matter.

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u/Bageezax Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Sorry, I'd never listen to Shapiro except to make fun of him. That said, there are not "multiple realities." There are accurate realities, and inaccurate ones.

It's still a shitty comparison. Because my mom (were she alive) had human feelings and emotions, and I can't print a new mom.

The book has no memory or feelings. It is an o bject, and attacking someone over a fucking object is ludicrous unless it is rare or irreplaceable. The Quran is neither of these.

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u/Cheap_Enthusiasm_619 Jan 25 '23

In theory i agree. But doing something like that just to purposely piss off people kind of makes them a crappy person. His actions to intentionally piss off others lead to cars running into them on a public road, others could have been hurt just because some dude wants to burn a book. Not excusing the drivers who ran into him, they are idiots, but it's very likely that would not have happened if he didn't burn the book.

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u/DougBellsBiggestFan Jan 25 '23

Exactly 👏👏👏👏

Perfectly said

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u/phucyu140 Jan 25 '23

It is just an object, paper with words. If you own it you should be able to do anything you like with it.

Yeah but it's disrespectful to burn a Quran right in front of Muslims. He could've done it in his backyard where no one would've seen it but he was obviously trolling for a response.

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u/Lord_Meowington Jan 25 '23

I dunno man, as long as you're not hurting anyone else then do whatever you want I usually say. This is specifically to hurt people. Antagonise people. That's not nice. If you wanna burn the Qur'an then do it on your own or with like minded people in private. But this isn't nice.

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u/crowmagnuman Jan 25 '23

My only question.... are the pages quilted 2-ply?

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u/TheOldGuy59 Jan 25 '23

Say what you want, but it's not the paper or the bindings or even the words. It's an object that some folks cherish. It's a symbol to them. What if someone burned something you absolutely cherish? Would you still have such a cavalier attitude about it? I'm not of the Islamic faith or any faith, I'm atheist. But I do understand someone purposely destroying a object cherished by a group of people - and that's an act of violence itself. Try burning your copy of the Bible in a public location in South Carolina or Alabama, letting everyone know what you're doing. You most likely won't make it out of the state before someone visits violence on you. People who intentionally provoke violence on others should not be surprised when it comes back to them.

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u/teeBoan Jan 25 '23

But if you do it out of malace it isn't respectful

Being disrespectful is not a crime. Muslims should understand that. This is exactly why people judge them. They get too triggered.

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u/hagenbuch Jan 25 '23

Sooner or later someone will have to make "Schrödinger's Quran" in order to see what happens.

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u/dunimal Jan 25 '23

So...do you just burn down the device where you access the PDF? The building in which you use the device?

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u/VegemiteAnalLube Jan 25 '23

Strangely it is not halal to delete a PDF version of the book.

"Error: You have to burn the hard drive in the fires of Mount Doom to unmake Quran.pdf"

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

Error: you have attempted to delete the holy hard drive. The authorities will arrive shortly to delete you.

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u/Ben-A-Flick Jan 25 '23

It amazes me how people make up rules as they go for this stuff and don't see for one second that what they are doing is a small scale version of the books they believe in.

Remember up until 15 years ago the catholic church said limbo existed where all babies who weren't baptized went....then all of a sudden it is gone! And limbo was only created in the middle ages. Before that all babies went to hell who weren't baptized. If any religious person really studied the history of their religion they would be an atheist.

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u/Optimal_End_9733 Jan 25 '23

Yeah it is, but it's the intention isn't it?

Like the N word. Black person says it its in love etc, a white person says it wearing confederate or nazi symbol then it hits different.

Context is important. Without context the N word means nothing. Like wise invading Muslim countries killing millions, all while blaming Muslims.... Then burning the quran to insult us. That's a context.

Truth is Muslims and Islam is here to stay. We are a part of western society as well. Burning Quran is an act of desperation.

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u/eenho73 Jan 25 '23

Dumb rules... it's a book printed billions of times... it's not sacred

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u/rougecrayon Jan 25 '23

That's because nothing you delete is ever really gone...

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u/edgha Jan 25 '23

burning is the right way to dispose

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

If it isn't, then count me out brother.

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u/chuckmagnum Jan 25 '23

You can only delete the indexing of the data. Computer will decide what to to with the available space to write-over and machines are exempted from religion 😏

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u/dutsi Jan 25 '23

MOTIVATION is fundamental to this act. Burning or otherwise disposing of a Quran reverently as an intentional way to retire it properly is quite a different act than burning a Quran in a public square on video for social media specifically to insult and outrage muslims.

This guy fucked around and found out. Those ladies may go to jail for a short time and face some consequences but I guarantee his retribution from the muslim community has not yet even started. The video of that act and his publicized identity will not unnoticed.

I am not muslim but anyone with a reasonable sense of justice can see the women's actions may not have been legal but their outrage was justified by his intentionally inflammatory actions. He brought their reaction upon himself. That guy is a complete dick and deserves whatever is coming for him.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

No. Burning books, documents, or symbols, of any kind does not justify violence. That ignorant AF. If anything, the actions of the women more than cemented the activist's beliefs.

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u/KmartQuality Jan 25 '23

Is it halal to encrypt the file and send it to a defunct address?

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u/Curious-Octopus Jan 25 '23

"strangely it's not halal to delete a PDF version of the book"

As a Muslim doubt........ That's one of the most ridiculous lies I have ever read.

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/182a7a/to_the_muslims_of_reddit_0_if_the_quran_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Make of it what you will. I'm by no means an expert, just been reading around for a few hours. Link above provides the most context and sources.

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u/kamikazikyle Jan 25 '23

i just imagine theres someone out there with a bunch of copys of the quran on his pc becasue he cant delete them.

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u/skankhunt402 Jan 25 '23

But that still doesn't make it illegal

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

Correct. Just sharing an interesting tidbit I've read recently

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u/OrchidCube Jan 25 '23

you can move the PDF to a USB stick and bury the USB stick

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u/DuskitBlack Jan 25 '23

Can't delete the pdf. You gotta burn the computer sadly.

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u/jamaicanadiens Jan 25 '23

So can I burn a copy of the Koran on CD?

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u/TinyTaters Jan 25 '23

Only if you download it from limewire