r/PublicFreakout • u/ImYourRealDadHey • Jan 24 '23

2 lady’s flipping a guys car after he burnt the Quran Repost 😔

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u/creamyturtle Jan 25 '23

idk burning a stupid book is a lot different than attempted vehicular manslaughter

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u/DifficultyNext7666 Jan 25 '23

No no. That's Islamophobia. How fucking dare you hold them to the bare bones expectation of western society we don't murder people over words

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

Doesn't make them not a cunt lol.

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u/SiggiZeBear Jan 25 '23

How so?

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

Intentionally antagonizing people by doing something that they consider disrespectful just because you can. I can go shout the N word in public all day long, doesn't make me not a cunt for doing so lol

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u/damndirtyape Jan 25 '23

It’s a form of political protest. In the 60’s, hippies burned the American flag in protest. It’s also common for people to make art that is disrespectful of Christianity as an expression of their disagreement with the religion.

I would assume that the guy is burning the Quran to assert his right to freedom of religion, free from intimidation. In a free country, people are allowed to express strong opinions about religions they disagree with. We don’t want to institute a de facto prohibition against blasphemy.

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u/ArtisanSamosa Jan 25 '23

Are Muslims an oppressive majority in Norway or something? What are they protesting?

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

Ok, and I can assert my freedom of speech by yelling the n word all day. Again, that would make me a cunt lol

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u/damndirtyape Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

By shouting the N word, you’re expressing strong dislike of a race. By burning a religious book, you’re expressing strong dislike of a religion. I’m much more sympathetic to people who criticize ideas, than I am of those who criticize an ethic group.

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

Lol you can pretend it's not the same thing if you want but it is

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u/damndirtyape Jan 25 '23

I don’t know anything about this guy, and I can’t see into his heart. You very well may be correct that he feels racial hatred. He might be an utterly contemptible human being. But, this video doesn’t tell me that. I can easily imagine someone engaging in this specific act of protest to make a statement about religion.

Hitler wanted the trains to run on time. I think Hitler is horrible, but I don’t think you’re equivalent to Hitler if you support efficient public transportation. An idea is not necessarily terrible just because it is expressed by a terrible person.

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u/mzm316 Jan 25 '23

But you’re not protesting anything.

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

I'm protesting the eroding 1st amendment

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u/mzm316 Jan 25 '23

The first amendment isn’t eroding, you’re just annoyed people will call you out for saying rude things

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u/JUYED-AWK-YACC Jan 25 '23

What a lot of racist bullshit. Fortunately in the US we have hate crime laws to cover this.

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u/damndirtyape Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

I had a whole long debate about this with the person I responded to. I disagree with this sentiment. But, I'm too tired to debate it now. You can see how I respond to this if the following thread:

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/10kk8bq/2_ladys_flipping_a_guys_car_after_he_burnt_the/j5u1alv/?context=3

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jan 25 '23

To add to your point though, this is one area where being a cunt isn't a bad thing. They are well within their rights to express themselves against a religion they detest by doing something controversial. It's actually good for society that people are willing to step up and challenge people in this kind of way.

But it is objectively cunt behavior. Just done for a good reason.

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

And again, I can scream the n word all day in the streets, doesn't make me not a cunt because it's legal lol

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u/veovis523 Jan 25 '23

You can also repeat the same sentence several times in a futile attempt to make your point more valid, and it wouldn't make you not a cunt because it's legal lol.

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

Lol oh no, the reddit guy doesn't like my point

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jan 25 '23

Ya.

I wasn't disagreeing with you. But one of those is challenging existing power structures due to belief, and the other is just being a racist bigot.

They are similar, but not the same

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u/GrowinStuffAndThings Jan 25 '23

You sure were agreeing with the actions lol

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jan 25 '23

No, like I said. One of those things is a protest against an existing power structure. The other is just being a racist bigot. They are similar, but not the same.

If you can't understand the difference I can't really help you, that's a skill issue tbh.

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u/Underachiever207 Jan 25 '23

Idk why you're getting downvoted. They're both huge assholes. Obviously, her reaction is unacceptable, but the guy is an ass too for throwing a burning quran around to intentionally antagonize people.

Moral of the story is don't be a dick and you won't have to worry about ending up in a situation like this.

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u/t4ngl3d Jan 25 '23

Yeah definitely. The thing is SIAN is also pretty extremist. They burn the Koran at least weekly and try to find the most triggering way to do it. Just a bunch of bad actors.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

They burn the Koran at least weekly and try to find the most triggering way to do it.

As a religious person and immigrant, good.

There's absolutely no reason that should be banned or in any way lead to a "they had it coming", and highlighting violent tendencies in a community is, to some extent, a social service. Particularly when I scroll this thread and I see comments like yours, equating one with the other. Sorry but this is pretty one-sided. Same if it were bibles, torahs, a flag, or w.e.

Screw these people so much.

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u/LoquatLoquacious Jan 25 '23

We all know that burning a book is a lot less bad than driving into someone's car. So, bearing in mind we agree with that: If someone made a point of saying how much they hated my culture I'd consider them huge fucking cunts.

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u/hematomasectomy Jan 25 '23

Turks burned the Swedish flag outside the Swedish embassy in Turkey recently, because a half-dane half-swede decided to burn the quran somewhere in Sweden.

Most of the Swedish comments were to the tune "k".

Why do you care what someone else thinks as long as it doesn't affect you?

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u/LoquatLoquacious Jan 25 '23

Because it does affect me. If I live somewhere where my culture is the far minority and lots of people don't like it or me (as I plan on doing) then it lets me know that you hate me specifically if you burn the most major symbol of my culture or something. Would you feel comfortable being around a cunt like that? You shouldn't.

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u/MUNZATHEGOD Jan 25 '23

If you’re triggered by a random book being burned, please stay where the fuck you’re at lmao

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u/hematomasectomy Jan 25 '23

it lets me know that you hate me specifically

No, it doesn't.

if you burn the most major symbol of my culture or something

A symbol isn't important, it's just a symbol. If they actually started burning people belonging to that "culture", you have a leg to stand on.

Are you saying "culture", but actually you mean "religion"? These are not synonymous, you know.

Would you feel comfortable being around a cunt like that?

No, but what does that have to do with anything?

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u/LoquatLoquacious Jan 25 '23

No, it doesn't.

It absolutely does!

These are not synonymous

They're so deeply linked that it's disingenuous to pretend they're unrelated.

No, but what does that have to do with anything?

I don't know what comment thread you stumbled into, but this discussion is about whether burning a quran to make a point makes you a cunt or not. It does. It makes you a cunt.

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u/hematomasectomy Jan 25 '23

It absolutely does!

I mean, it really doesn't. There's a world of difference between disliking a concept and disliking an individual. If you can't separate your own identity from your religion, that's a you-problem.

They're so deeply linked that it's disingenuous to pretend they're unrelated.

No, it's disingenuous to pretend they are the same thing. If you feel insulted because someone insulted your religion, that's absolutely not the same as hating people of a certain culture or ethnicity.

I don't know what comment thread you stumbled into, but this discussion is about whether burning a quran to make a point makes you a cunt or not. It does. It makes you a cunt.

I mean, no, that's not what the discussion is about, if you'd taken the time to actually read it. It's about whether the opinion of others have or should have some effect on you.

Burning a quran does not make you a cunt, at worst it makes you inconsiderate. Running someone off the road because you think your religion was insulted, on the other hand, that makes you a cunt.

The fact that you take issue with the one and not with the other tells me quite a lot about you as a person.

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u/LoquatLoquacious Jan 25 '23

Let's talk about identity. My identity is certainly bound up in my culture. If someone insults my culture and says they hate it, I'm not going to be naive and assume they don't mean that they hate me. Of course they do. We'll never be friends. They wouldn't want to be friends with me. And besides, they've just insulted everyone I ever grew up with.

I outright don't believe that you think religion isn't deeply tied to culture.

I mean, no, that's not what the discussion is about

Uh, yes it is, and I should know, because I started it. What do you think "cunt" means, exactly?

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u/Hue__hue Jan 25 '23

Then don’t be around people like that. It’s literally that easy.

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u/LoquatLoquacious Jan 25 '23

Yeah no shit dude. Don't be around total cunts.

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u/SeanTCU Jan 25 '23

Anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant protests do affect you if you're a Muslim immigrant. Anti-Sweden protests happening in Turkey don't really affect Swedish people in Sweden at all.

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u/hematomasectomy Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant protests do affect you if you're a Muslim immigrant.

Anti-Islamic != Anti-Muslim. Just because you abhor an inhumane ideology disguised as religion doesn't mean you automatically hate the people who have been indoctrinated into it.

What about the video is anti-immigrant? Are you saying all immigrants are Muslims? 'cause that's, like, not even a little bit correct.

Anti-Sweden protests happening in Turkey don't really affect Swedish people in Sweden at all.

It affects Swedes in Sweden about as much as a twat burning a quran in Sweden affects Turks in Turkey.

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u/EmuChance4523 Jan 25 '23

To be more correct, the anti-swede protests in Turkey affect swedes a lot more that the anti-muslim ones, because Turkey is trying to use this to block Sweden from NATO.

On the other side, the guy burning a quran in Sweden is not affecting directly to the immigrants, but the reactions of muslims to his actions are emboldening the right wing parties that are against immigration.

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u/SeanTCU Jan 25 '23

I'm sure the fascists at Stop the Islamification of Norway (3% Muslim population btw) are taking notes on who the "good ones" are and only want to radicalise their country against the bad immigrants.

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u/throwaway-20701 Jan 25 '23

You can disagree with the group and their ideology while supporting the rights that make this country one of the best countries to live in.

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u/SeanTCU Jan 25 '23

It's one of the best countries to live in because of a strong economy and welfare system propped up by North Sea oil, not because you can incite hatred by burning books.

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u/throwaway-20701 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

The welfare state is there because of how influential the average person is in politics compared to other countries. We have the most political freedom in the world. This is one of the few downsides.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

"incite hatred" has become a very trendy way of saying: "they were asking for it".

Do you think "incite hatred" in any way, even if in a minuscule percentage, justifies the reaction?

There are absolutely no grounds or reasons possible to think something purely ideological would be justified in producing a violent reaction.

Hard no.

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u/SeanTCU Jan 25 '23

Their aim is to heighten tensions and raise the temperature on all sides of the issue. That's inciting hatred. A violent reaction may not be justified, but it is exactly what they're fishing for.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

Good, a civilized response to any kind of speech should be the expectation and anything else condemned wholeheartedly.

I expect the same of any religious group expecting to form part of this civilized society - be it christians, hindus, wiccans, or w.e.

If someone flips the middle finger at another and they get beheaded, would you give the same response of: "that's what they're fishing for"? It's ludicrous!

This is the bigotry of low expectations.

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u/SeanTCU Jan 25 '23

Fascists deliberately heightening racial tensions is not the same as someone being flipped off randomly.

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u/PM_YOUR_AKWARD_SMILE Jan 25 '23

You are a sad person

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u/LordNoodles Jan 25 '23

I love how you think that “as a religious person” would make your point MORE credible.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

Yeah, they can burn my holy book if they want to, the most they would ever get from me or anyone in my community is a shaking of the head and hoping they get through whatever it is they're going through.

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u/Tommyblockhead20 Jan 25 '23

They didn’t say that the two actions are equal, just that both are extremists. Let’s be honest, we all know they are doing it just to offend people on the other side, there’s no other purpose to their actions. That is extremist behavior. I haven’t seen anyone saying it should be banned or that they had it coming, since ya, it’s clearly not as bad. But not as bad≠good.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

In what deranged mind can you put "burning a book" and "starting a car chase + attempted murder" in the same category?

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u/Tommyblockhead20 Jan 25 '23

I literally said burning a book clearly is not as bad, shouldn’t be banned, and shouldn’t justify that reaction. That being said, I suppose they are in the same category in the since that both behaviors are outside the norm. Normal people try to have a discussion when they don’t like something. They don’t go around just trying to offend as many people as possible. I’m guessing you might agree with their view and that’s why it’s harder for you to see, so let me give an analogy. Imagine if someone didn’t like black people, so they went around saying the n word to them, and a few of them gave him a very severe beating. Would you say that behavior falls more in the in the normal category, or the extreme category?

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 26 '23

Absolutely not in the extremist category.

I'm south american, have been subjected to a good deal of racism, which includes violence.

I wouldn't place someone racist with only words in the extremist category. Ever.

Now, if they started doing bombings, armed violence, and stuff like that, then yeah sure.

Otherwise, no.

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u/Tommyblockhead20 Jan 25 '23

Hey, if stuff like that is the norm for you, I’m not surprised your idea of extremist is more extreme than mine. But in nice regions of the US, that behavior is quite rare. And Scandinavia. (Where I believe this is) is supposed to be as nice as, if not nicer, than those regions of the US, so I would expect that behavior to be even more extreme.

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u/OppenheimersGuilt Jan 25 '23

Those experiences were in Europe, US, including the south, was actually wonderful.

Your original statement presented a false dichotomy, hence my response.

I never said they were the norm, just not extremists. Extremism is a specific word that should not be used lightly.

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u/Loves_His_Bong Jan 25 '23

Funny how Reddit is firmly in the “play stupid games win stupid prizes” camp until it’s white people winning the stupid prizes.

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u/Reefdag Jan 25 '23

Missed the point dude. If it was a Bible people would've said the same

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u/Loves_His_Bong Jan 25 '23

If it was a Torah, people would rightfully be saying maybe we shouldn’t allow these fucking lunatics to run around burning books to intimidate and provoke minorities. Maybe the Nazis should have gotten their asses kicked when they burned books as well.

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u/Reefdag Jan 25 '23

This happened a week after a Muslim gunman opened fire on people at a popular LGBTQ+ venue, killing two and leaving 21 people wounded. Who provokes who. Why do you think anti-religious groups are on the rise.

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u/SeanTCU Jan 25 '23

America's main source of carbon pollution would be from burnt bibles if they reacted that way every time a Christian committed a mass shooting. Also this is a stunt that SIAN does constantly and for its own sake, so it wasn't really a reaction to anything.

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u/Loves_His_Bong Jan 25 '23

And? You’ll stop religious extremism by book burning? Or by making them feel like their culture and identities are protected and valued by society more than book burning fascists?

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u/Reefdag Jan 25 '23

That's the thing, that has been tried and it didn't work. Meanwhile, those religious fanatics continue to use violence against all that their religion opposes. What have the Muslims done to stop these heinous acts of terrorism. They don't even shed a tear. Same goes for other religions

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u/Loves_His_Bong Jan 25 '23

Yeah lol. Europe has been especially known for their attempts to protect Muslim minorities.

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u/Reefdag Jan 25 '23

That doesn't even make sense in this conversation but yes, Europe has done a lot to protect Muslims. Their right to their religion is protected by law. They can safely practice it and you can even send your kids to religious indoctrination schools. That is in every EU member state while some of these countries have been plagued by religious terrorism. Great but futile attempt to turn the conversation a different direction.

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u/hammerandnailz Jan 25 '23

You’re screaming into the void on the fascist recruitment website. They’re incapable of seeing the analogy.

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u/Here-Is-TheEnd Jan 25 '23

I don’t know who burnt the book and I’m not religious but it seems like a good way to provoke something like into happening. Before they got away from the buildings I thought the book burner was going to get killed.

It’s really something people die for doing in certain parts of the world, some western ass hat has the right to do things like this but that doesn’t make him not as asshat for doing it. Also, his rights don’t shield him from the consequences of his actions.

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u/PlsBuffStormBurst Jan 25 '23

The best part about living in a western democracy is freedom of speech and expression. The second best part is laws that specify that physical violence is an illegal and immoral response to other people's speech or expression, no matter how offended the violence-user feels.

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u/gogomorphintime Jan 25 '23

I've never understood why they are given a pass on this type of behavior.

It'd be one thing if they were out openly calling for violence against them, but just burning a book never warrants this. You can be upset. You can name call. Hell, go grab something they hold dear and burn it in front of them. But going all homicidal proves your beliefs are not compatible with modern society.

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u/t4ngl3d Jan 25 '23

Yeah I think neither is in the right but the book burner isn't doing anything illegal. It's just the most annoying "the air is for everyone" example pretty much of constantly pissing people off about a thing which they are really sensitive about until someone punches back so they can play the victim and say how they are right and all Muslims are dangerous and violent.

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u/Cavalleria-rusticana Jan 25 '23

Anyone willing to attack another over a burnt book is fundamentally dangerous and violent.

Rational adults shouldn't fall for weak bait like this. Sharia law has no place in the democratic West.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

they can play the victim

They ARE the victim. They didn't do anything illegal, unlike the violently religious.

If you attack people over burning a book, you ARE dangerous and violent.

say how they are right and all Muslims are dangerous and violent.

No, the point is that ISLAM is dangerous and violent.

They are literally proving his point.

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u/Sebcorrea Jan 25 '23

Tell me your an Islamophobe without telling me you're an Islamophobe 🤦🏽

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u/bretstrings Jan 26 '23

You dont have to be an islamophobe to point out facts.

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u/Sebcorrea Jan 26 '23

Painting an entire community, religion, race, etc, for the acts of very few is the definition of discrimination. In this case, Islamophobia. And no, it doesn't make it 'fact', totally the opposite, it still is your flawed opinion.

One can grab examples of dangerous, violent people of every religion, race, creed and paint them as "x, y and z". But I guess this opinion of yours fits the narrative. Let me guess, you also believe most criminals in North America are BIPOC people?

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u/Loves_His_Bong Jan 25 '23

Saying Islam is violent because a few Muslims react this way is a ridiculous generalization. I could say people that burn books are also dangerous and violent given the history of doing such a thing.

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u/bretstrings Jan 26 '23

I said ISLAM is violent, not all Muslims.

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u/Loves_His_Bong Jan 26 '23

Pretty dumb thing to say. Islam can't be violent without it's practitioners doing violence.

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u/bretstrings Jan 26 '23

Wrong. Texts themselves can explicitly be violent and promote violence, whether anyone carries it our or not.

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u/enzymeschill Jan 25 '23

Please keep the same energy for people burning lgbt flags, people protesting abortion centres, and nazis marching with torches in the street.

They’re not doing anything illegal either. No one should attack them. They’re doing a public service by trying to stoke anger from communities right?

This is the same site that creams it’s pants when it watches nazi protestors get punched in the mouth. But that’s wrong, and the nazi is a victim right?

The hypocrisy is astounding.

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u/secretbases Jan 25 '23

Wouldn't expect much critical thinking from a religious cunt like you, if you can't understand the differences then I completely understand why you believe in fairytales and magic wizards, which is pretty sad but you're entitled to be ignorant I guess

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u/t4ngl3d Jan 25 '23

If you wave your hands in front of people's faces but keep saying "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU, I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!!!!" eventually someone is going to hit you in the face and no one will really care much.

There is dangerous Muslims, there is even Muslim countries which are dangerous for their religious views but it's not everyone and to have a stance that Islam should be banned like the people in the video does is just not helpful or productive. A religion will not be banned from being practiced in a free country.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

If you wave your hands in front of people's faces but keep saying "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU, I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU!!!!"

Doing that to someone would be considered harrasment and you could report them to the police.

Bad example.

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u/t4ngl3d Jan 25 '23

Is it though? Can't burning a book enough times in public places be seen as harassment? It's a fairly large discussion about this in Norway at the time because they did this close to 100 times last year, always somewhere to provoke others.

I'm not saying she is right to ram him and should be excused but if your entire life is dedicated to provoking others and stepping on their toes doing what you know is taboo for them but not illegal I think this is definitely something that borders on harassment.

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u/Nyamii Jan 25 '23

yes its a terrible example, in your example a persons personal space is being violated.

when a book is burned no such thing is happening.

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u/Dr_Jre Jan 25 '23

Exactly

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u/hammerandnailz Jan 25 '23

This was obviously an overreaction and I guarantee you most Islamic clergy would encourage their faithful to ignore assholes like this, but there is absolutely a fascistic/racialized undertone to public Quran burnings and you’re being willfully obtuse if you ignore that.

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u/secretbases Jan 25 '23

So the Turkish stance on vetoing Sweden is the obvious answer right? These religious buffoons don't poses critical thinking

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

It is but I hope all of them were so miserable after this that it ends up making them think about life and changing who they are and how they act to something more positive. Everyone involved in this was a piece of shit.

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u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet Jan 25 '23

You think someone who is willing to kill over a burned book is capable of that level of introspection? Those people are brainwashed fundamentalist nut jobs.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

True but I like to hold out hope for even the worst among us.

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u/FrothingAnalGlands Jan 25 '23

The guy burning the books is ALSO a brainwashed nut-job. Do you really not understand this?

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u/seahawkspwn Jan 25 '23

Him getting his car flipped is pretty much proving his point. If you can't handle a copy of a book being burned without trying to kill someone, you've got major issues.

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u/BenzeneBabe Jan 25 '23

Yea cause he did that to prove a point and not just cause he’s an asshole and a fool thinking nobody was gonna react to his doing something like that in public.

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u/Spuzaw Jan 25 '23

There's a massive difference between burning a book and trying to run someone over with your vehicle. Pretending they're even close to similar is laughable.

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u/FrothingAnalGlands Jan 26 '23

Is that really what I said? Read it again mate. Repeat this scene in certain places in America with the roles reversed and the result would be EXACTLY the same, and to pretend otherwise is just delusional. Everyone sucks in this video.

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u/Dr_Mickael Jan 25 '23

Burning a piece of paper is equal to killing someone. Got it.

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u/Nooms88 Jan 25 '23

The whole point of Burning a Koran is to envoke a violent reaction and demonstrate that Islamic values are not compatible with western Liberal democracies, the protestors are probably quite pleased with the result.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

I'm sure they're real happy about it. Still an asshole move.

Like shouting the N word to black people until one of them punches you. Violence isn't the answer but provoking violence on purpose is still shitty. I don't know why reddit can't accept that.

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u/mzm316 Jan 25 '23

You can’t change being black. You can absolutely change your adherence to a religion that promotes violence and oppression. See the difference? If I insult and provoke you because of the race you were born as, I’m a racist dickhead. But if I insult the religion you follow and you then see fit to try to personally kill me, then I think point is proven.

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u/SquareBusiness6951 Jan 25 '23

It amazes me you got downvoted. Guy burning book? Asshole trying to get a reaction. Nutjobs chasing him? Indoctrinated and irrational.

Nobody here is a morally righteous, upstanding person. They’re dumb assholes who need to reflect on their life choices and make better ones.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

Way to miss the point.

If burning a book is enough to trigger a reaction of flipping a car, there is a big fucking problem.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

Threads like this attract a certain type of person who think the guy burning Qurans is some kind of hero.

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u/dream-smasher Jan 25 '23

No, not that the guy is "some kind of hero". Just that racing after him in two cars, completely disregarding everyone else on the road, so they could.. what.? Smash into him in their cars? She was lucky that she managed to PIT him, instead of the general crashing she was probably angry enough to do.

Saying that all three are as bad as each other is total "both sides" bullshit.

A guy burned a book.

The women took off in two cars, racing down the road to catch up to him.

Which one do you think had the potential to harm more innocent bystanders?

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u/SquareBusiness6951 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

I don’t know who said it’s exactly the same but I’m with you there. Obviously dickheaded provocation and blind rage assault is apples and oranges.

Still, bad apples and bad oranges. The same? No. Not good? Yes.

Ideally, no one would go around poking until they find a hornets nest. But also, ideally, no one will absolutely lose their shit and disregard the safety of themselves and others do run down someone who burned a book.

I think it’s important to call out both sides faults. Otherwise you get people saying he was right to do it, to make a point which I could go on about the problem with that, or you get people who say he deserved what he got. Things just aren’t black and white. They’re many shades of stupid.

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u/LudwigSalieri Jan 25 '23

Apples and oranges means that two things aren't comparable. Burning a book and trying to kill someone with your car are comparable and the second one is way worse.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

Ideally, no one would go around poking until they find a hornets nest.

No, that's not ideal.

Ignoring serious problems like a religion promoting violence is not ideal in any way.

Why does Islam get a pass when promoting violence is illegal for everyone else?

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u/SquareBusiness6951 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

I assume you’re not asking me, because the next sentence after the one you quoted encapsulates my stance on your question.

Edit: Okay actually, going by your other comment, there’s a theme with your reading comprehension. I’ll just nip this in the bud.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

No, because you still pretend the man burning the book was acting stupid.

He wasn't, he was proving a point objectively and he succeeded.

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u/shine-- Jan 25 '23

You’re insufferable. Same as the dude purposely provoking people… fucking dumbasses the both of you

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u/next_iteration7 Jan 25 '23

The only point he proved is that he's an absolute moron and a shit-stirring cunt to boot. Most people are already aware you can stir up religious people by burning their particular book. This guy isn't doing anything even remotely clever or worthwhile.

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u/Prefer_Not_To_Say Jan 25 '23

He wasn't, he was proving a point objectively and he succeeded.

What point? That religious extremists in the bible belt can be derided for burning Harry Potter but when you do it to the Quran, you can get hundreds of Reddit atheists to rally behind you?

He wasn't proving any kind of point. Don't act like he was performing a social experiment or anything. He was being an edgy jackass.

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u/SquareBusiness6951 Jan 25 '23

I blocked the goober with poor reading comprehension but, for anyone else’s sake, no he wasn’t proving a point.

He was trying to piss someone off and he did that. He just knew that in the audience he chose, if it did a particular thing, he had a non-zero chance of getting a reaction.

He wasn’t guaranteed this reaction which is why he didn’t prove anything. Notice how not every muslim chased him down? You can do this with any group and doing whatever thing pertains to the group, but most people in the group are not going to react this way. That’s why it doesn’t prove anything.

Disrespecting the bible in the south? You can easily get the same reaction. Disrespect black people in a bad area? Same thing. Disrespect the dense twits who think this cunt has a point? 99% won’t do a damn thing, like all the other groups, but one might chase you with their car.

You’re a dumb fuck and a little racist if you think any group is represented by any individual in that group. Doesn’t work that way. A religion is not a hive mind. There’s morons and irrationality in all walks of life. Know your audience and you can find’em. Then twits on the internet will see everyone that color as the 1% you got a reaction from.

That’s the point he proved.

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u/teun95 Jan 25 '23

Disrespecting the bible in the south?

While I agree with your argument generally, remember that this is Norway. I'd say it's very unlikely that disrespecting a bible anywhere in Norway will get you the same reaction.

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u/Extreme-Battle128 Jan 25 '23

"Which one do you think had the potential to harm more innocent bystanders?"

Burning that religious book quite obviously. It's an absolutely awful world we live in.

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u/Spuzaw Jan 25 '23

I hope you're not being serious.

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u/cantuse Jan 25 '23

I'm sure some people absolutely think that. I'm sure the guy who did this is some right wing dude trying to bait reactions.

I don't think any of that is surprising.

It's also not all surprising that most rational people do not think that transforming into the road warrior is the proper way to respond to this in a pluralistic society. Indeed the very idea that this kind of stupidity is met with such viciousness suggests that this very pluralism could be in jeopardy. If the only reason you don't attack me is because I don't insult your magic book, we're already on thin ice.

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u/SquareBusiness6951 Jan 25 '23

Mad Max also popped into my head when I saw this.

And they are doing it thinking they’ll ride eternal in valhalla, shiny and chrome. Basically. Just different words.

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u/PunkToTheFuture Jan 25 '23

Of all the religions to start shit that's one that will get a big reaction. That book he burned says to kill me because I am atheist, so I'm not keen on it either

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u/selectrix Jan 25 '23

Where does it say that?

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u/Doldenbluetler Jan 25 '23

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Tbf it doesn't say kill, it just says things like "fight them until they are subdued". Whatever that means... Still seems like a call for violence towards atheists to me.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

It absolutely IS promoting of violence and should not be given a pass.

Everybody else would get prosecuted for promoting violence.

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u/selectrix Jan 25 '23

As long as you're acknowledging that the Bible doesn't get a pass either.

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u/selectrix Jan 25 '23

So on the one hand you have the Quran which is not telling anyone to kill nonbelievers, and on the other hand you have the Bible telling us to actually kill anyone who curses:

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Bring the one who has cursed outside the camp, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head; then let all the congregation stone him.

or worships other gods:

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “You shall also say to the sons of Israel:‘Any man from the sons of Israel or from the aliens sojourning in Israel who gives any of his offspring to Molech, shall surely be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

Seems like the Quran is no worse than most of the other shit people were writing 50 centuries ago.

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u/Doldenbluetler Jan 25 '23

We were talking about the Quran, so that's what I linked the source to. I have written my Master's thesis on baroque protestant sermons, have read and am very well aware of the disgusting views propagated in the Bible. I don't approve of either text, so what is your point exactly? Do you want to derail the discussion by pointing somewhere else? Do you think that atheists who oppose the Quran are Bible-thumpers?

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u/AssssCrackBandit Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Exactly. Which is why all Abrahamic religions (and all other religions as well to a lesser extent) are dumb

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u/PunkToTheFuture Jan 25 '23

Oh hi! I'm not actually the internet or even a teacher. Please find reputable sources for information. Thanks

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u/selectrix Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

That's not on me, that's on the person making the claim. As far as I've found there are no reputable sources for that claim. So we're back to square 2.

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u/Hard_As_Snaiils Jan 25 '23

Well the point is that him doing so got exactly the reaction expected. He's not a hero but he was clearly able to prove a point. Focusing on the guy and not the lunatics trying to injure him and potentially hurt others is ridiculous

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u/WitchesDew Jan 25 '23

You're right, of course.

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u/littleshitbird Jan 25 '23

I hope they both got fucking deported

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u/Elephant789 Jan 25 '23

To where? How do you know they aren't from Norway?

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u/littleshitbird Jan 25 '23

Idc if they were born there or not (they weren’t) their actions are completely foreign to the ethos of Norwegian ppl

to where

to wherever Allah is worshipped

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u/DesMotsCrados Jan 25 '23

What he did sure is a lot less problematic than the assault with a car. Still, you are being very dishonest.

He did not just burn a book. It's not even the book burning that is problematic, it's any action made for the sole purpose of triggering people.

They should go to jail, and not him. But he sure is a massive cunt nonetheless.

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u/alwayschillin Jan 25 '23

Someone burning a religious text deliberately to antagonize people of that religion is not someone I would ever associate with.

Someone who would get in a car to chase down and flip someone else in the road over said burning is also not someone I would ever associate with.

I don’t know what the point of debating this is.

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u/Cutsa Jan 25 '23

I mean one is burning a book and the other is attempting murder.

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u/oxidise_stuff Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Agreed, a book that directs people to lie, cheat, deceive, contempt and kill all outsiders. The Quran is absutely laced with this kind of instructions everywhere and people should be more aware. It is not a religion of peace.

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u/OnPostUserName Jan 25 '23

Religion really do get the worst out in people.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

And Islam in particular seems to REALLY draw out the violence, at least in our era.

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u/John_T_Conover Jan 25 '23

Not just in our era, always. It's founding figure and literal "most perfect man to ever live" was a genocidal warlord child rapist.

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u/oxidise_stuff Jan 25 '23

I'm not religious, but some religions do worse than others, and some more frequent than others. Islam has a interesting combination of both, I think it is not fair to sweep all religions onto the same stack.

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u/pm0me0yiff Jan 25 '23

Enlightened centrists here: "See, both sides are bad!"

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u/rocknrollenn Jan 25 '23

You should be able to burn a book you've purchased without some psycho cultists trying to kill you with their car.

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u/lovesickremix Jan 25 '23

I mean he's right everyone is an asshole here... Just one is worst than the other. The guy burning the book to piss people off is not the hero either.

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u/_ashika__ Jan 25 '23

I mean both sides are "bad" but one is just that much worse

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u/General_Example Jan 25 '23

One is taunting someone to chase your car, and the other is chasing and actually catching the car. They're both equally stupid.

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u/Cutsa Jan 25 '23

So if the chasers had killed an innocent bystander, you would put equal blame on the person burning the book? You would demand that they be punished equally for the death of that innocent bystander? If no, then they're not equally stupid. If yes, then we very fundamentally disagree.

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u/Dan_the_Marksman Jan 25 '23

i'm an atheist who dreams about a world without religion but this is about "burning a stupid book" as much as national flag desecration ( which will leave you in prison or dead in many countries ) is about "burning a stupid piece of cloth". just get a hobby that will actually lead to something positive instead.

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u/explosiv_skull Jan 25 '23

Any country that puts you in jail or to death for burning a flag is a shithole. Any country that would put a person in jail or to death for burning a book, any book, is also a shithole. Norway is not a shithole.

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u/LufyCZ Jan 25 '23

which will leave you in prison or dead in many countries

May be, but not in Norway.

They have a right to burn a book as an expression of their free speech and they have the right not to be murdered over it. In Norway.

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u/PunkToTheFuture Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Was he allowed to harass the public and litter too?

Edit: Seriously, he was not some hero, he was a dick

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u/ambisinister_gecko Jan 25 '23

That's really the only part that I found questionable. Like idgaf that he's burning a book he bought, but are you allowed to just start a fire in a public place? Throw an object on fire out of your car? That doesn't seem entirely safe.

I really don't care about the religious aspect of it though, and however unsafe it might be, it's unarguably not as unsafe as pitting a car like that.

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u/DeltasticDelta Jan 25 '23

I heard that apperently someone in sweden got a permit to publicly burn a quran.(cant name source) Maybe its the same scenario here?

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u/flimspringfield Jan 25 '23

Yes they do but that doesn't mean they won't suffer the consequences for doing it so public as these guys did.

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u/janssoni Jan 25 '23

If the consequence is attempted murder, yes it absolutely does, you weirdo.

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u/LordNoodles Jan 25 '23

It’s like going to a bar and calling people cunts.

It’s free speech and should be allowed but you can’t act surprised if someone punches your teeth out. It’s not right for them to physically attack you but what were you expecting? Kinda seems like that’s what you’re gunning for.

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u/mzm316 Jan 25 '23

I think the point is to highlight the violence and extremism that is seen as common and accepted in Islam. Someone who punches my teeth out because I called them a cunt isn’t someone I want imposing their beliefs on others, and isn’t someone I’d want to be representative of a large group of people.

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u/LordNoodles Jan 25 '23

Oh come on as if violence isn’t just as common or glorified in Christian nations. Americans love fantasising about killing people in home defense and have invaded roughly half the planet since wwii. It’s a violence focused warmonger culture and somehow that doesn’t reflect negatively on Christianity

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u/mzm316 Jan 25 '23

Difference is the Bible isn’t telling them to kill people in home defense. Americans across the religious and political spectrum can be gun nuts. Christianity doesn’t create this mentality of violence, but Islam does. Christianity says to love thy neighbor (whether people follow that is a different story) but Islam tells you to kill those who disrespect the prophet. You’re conflating two things and throwing a weird red herring about the US in to boot. I personally love protests where peoples weird reliance on guns is highlighted so not sure what point you’re even trying to make

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u/LordNoodles Jan 25 '23

You’re being insanely disingenuous when comparing the two.

Christianity also tells you to stone gay people. And I’m pretty sure the crusades weren’t done just for fun.

Religion in general has a habit of making people really useful fighters, that’s by design and definitely not restricted to islam

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u/mzm316 Jan 25 '23

Man they’re literally both terrible, I was highlighting what the point of the guy burning the Quran was. I didn’t say a word about Christianity until you brought it up because I’m capable of acknowledging a concept without having to bring every single other thing into the discussion and derailing it

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u/LordNoodles Jan 25 '23

Damn cool skill

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u/hasesan Jan 25 '23

Yes. And they should be punished accordingly. But, this was textbook fuck around and find out.

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u/PM_YOUR_AKWARD_SMILE Jan 25 '23

Burn that textbook too

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u/erbie_ancock Jan 25 '23

This is not true, because not all black people are violent thugs

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u/yet_another_trikster Jan 25 '23

And the muslim/black person goes to jail for an assault and has also brought it to themselves)

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u/The_Sinnermen Jan 25 '23

The good ending

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u/Ckyuiii Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

It’s like saying the N word to a black person, you know you’ll get assaulted and attacked.

You know this is unironically racist as fuck to say right?

You should be holding other people to the same standard as everyone else regardless of color. This is called bigotry of low expectations.

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u/fortefayte Jan 25 '23

Auto assuming all black people will attack...yea totally ok... You're totally not racist lol

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u/Astatine_209 Jan 25 '23

You can't attempted murder people over an insult, and in this case it's not even insulting a specific person.

Norway clearly made a grave mistake letting these people immigrate into the country.

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u/noiwontpickaname Jan 25 '23

Which people?

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u/poindexter1985 Jan 25 '23

Probably the two fanatical extremists that respond to benign political expression with which they disagree with attempted murder, as well as extreme negligence endangering the lives of unrelated bystanders.

You know, the attempted murderers in this video.

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u/The_Sinnermen Jan 25 '23

These, as per the comment.

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u/RegisterOk9743 Jan 25 '23

you know you’ll get assaulted and attacked.

In 99% of cases you won't. You may be told you're an asshole and they'll go about their lives. Some will just look hurt and walk away.

Sadly, black people get this all the time and have learned to just ignore it. Sometimes you may get someone who is having a bad day or is just quick to violence though.

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u/flimspringfield Jan 25 '23

It's not a "stupid book" to those that are from that religion.

It's instigating them to react. As has been said before, just because you have the right to do it, doesn't mean you won't suffer consequences of it.

As a Christian I would get mad if they burned the Bible on purpose BUT I wouldn't flip their car over either.

The people burning the Quran know they will have to deal with some extremists and well they got dealt with by those extremists

This falls under the category of "yeah you can do it because it's your right but expect some pushback".

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u/poindexter1985 Jan 25 '23

Well sure, some reaction should be expected, but any reaction stronger than a few words about how offended they are is an extreme overreaction. Any reaction involving violence is just madness and, I would say, blatantly fucking evil.

Provoking evil people to show how fucking evil they are doesn't make you a cunt.

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u/DarkOmen597 Jan 25 '23

Naw, it's a stupid book that promotes violence and racism and disparity.

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u/WitchesDew Jan 25 '23

And misogyny, which makes this clip even more ridiculous.

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u/flimspringfield Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

So does the Bible.

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u/Mordredor Jan 25 '23

And there would be fewer people defending the women if this was about a bible. But it's not.

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u/TutisevaKuukkeli Jan 25 '23

If someone burned a bible even the pope wouldn’t let that ruin their day.

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u/ambisinister_gecko Jan 25 '23

Eh, the central figure of the new testament is a homeless hippy preaching forgiveness.

The central figure of the Qur'an is a warlord who fucks children and commands his followers to kill all sorts of people.

Albeit most of those commands to kill people were probably meant to be only contextually relevant, and the old testament also has contextual commandments to kill and conquer.

That being said, I think the central figure of the two holy books sets a very important tone, honestly.

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u/oxidise_stuff Jan 25 '23

Have you seen the contents of that book? It's laced with vitriol about anyone who is not them. The book and followers deserves some pushback. Its message is not remotely close to the new testament

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u/flimspringfield Jan 25 '23

They are intentionally inciting this.

Like many of you say, fuck around and find out.

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u/oxidise_stuff Jan 25 '23

Some could argue that moslims are intentionally inciting everyone else with the contents of their book. You reap what you sow.

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u/JohnnyBoy11 Jan 25 '23

Sure, but he clearly won the stupid prize. Maybe you'll understand this comparison better -- Don't be surprised if you're a racist and you get your socks rocked if call a black person the N word to start something.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

Islam is a race?

Why are you equating religion with race?

That's racist. Many arabs are not Muslims.

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u/Rosiovan444 Jan 25 '23

Most Muslims are not Arabs as well.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

Exactly.

Anyone who accuses others of racism for criticizing Islam is actually being racist themselves.

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u/bretstrings Jan 25 '23

They explictly said they were being racist, doing something akin to calling someone a racist slur.

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u/baby-dick-nick Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

They were comparing the argument that playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes applies to both scenarios even when Redditors don’t want it to. They weren’t applying race to this situation at all

They were describing a different situation entirely. If you antagonize people intentionally, you’re playing a stupid game. That’s their point

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u/kublaikong Jan 25 '23

The fact he almost got murdered and that attempted murder isn’t a surprising reaction from them is a supporting argument for his apparent distaste of that religion. He might be an asshole but he proved a point.

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u/John_T_Conover Jan 25 '23

You can't stop being black.

You can stop worshipping a child rapist any time you want.

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