r/PublicFreakout • u/ImYourRealDadHey • Jan 24 '23

2 lady’s flipping a guys car after he burnt the Quran Repost 😔

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u/pellebeez Jan 25 '23

It’s Norway btw.

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u/Daymandayman Jan 25 '23

I would have never expected this to happen in Norway that’s crazy.

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23 • Helpful 'MURICA

There's quite a few right wingers in Scandinavia that are against all the immigrants we take in, especially in Sweden. This guy, Rasmus Paludan, is going around and burning the Quran to show that Muslim immigrants are "highly volatile and dangerous".

Unfortunately they are kind of proving his point...

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u/KosherNazi Jan 25 '23

I’d rather put up with a guy lighting up a stack of paper in a park than someone crazy enough to ram me with a car for doing so.

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u/BringTheFingerBack Jan 25 '23

Whats next? Getting your head chopped off for discussing a book? Stabbed in the head for writing a book 40 years ago? Never happen mate, peaceful religion and all that.

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u/987cayman Jan 25 '23

Murder for drawing a picture of Mohammed

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u/malicu Jan 26 '23

What if I use the crayons and the back of the paper menu?

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u/FQDIS Feb 08 '23

Straight to jail.

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u/zakattack799 Jan 29 '23

Is that hard for you white people not to draw a picture or take the piss out of Islam?

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u/987cayman Jan 29 '23

Is it so hard to not kill someone for drawing a picture?

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u/notorious1212 Feb 02 '23

Yes, I like my freedom of expression. Fuck the Quran and Islam.

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u/Almighty_Egg 24d ago

Imagine coming to someone's civilised country and expecting you can do such barbaric things as flip a car on a motorway.

With any luck they'll be deported imminently.

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u/EXANGUINATED_FOETUS Jan 25 '23

Acid in face for not wearing bandit mask

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u/red_rocket_boy Jan 26 '23

Careful.... They ban accounts for that last sentence alone.

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u/Nal_Neel Jan 26 '23

Also g3n0c1de by them to natives. Then when u will retaliate to save ur people, identity, BBC will release a documentary saying how bad u guys are for speaking against peaceful mu5l1m people.

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u/PersonThingPlace Jan 25 '23

Pretty sure those have already happened

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u/globodolla Jan 27 '23

People love to poke the bear then when they get Charlie Hebdo’d they will expect sympathy from the international community 🤣

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u/BringTheFingerBack Jan 27 '23

Interesting way to look at mass murder

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u/globodolla Jan 27 '23

Stop provoking people?

That’s what happens when you fuck around and find out

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u/BringTheFingerBack Jan 27 '23

Are you okay? Your whole comment section is you shitting on people.

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u/globodolla Jan 28 '23

My problem is I’m way too blunt

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u/BringTheFingerBack Jan 28 '23

Nah bruh, I think you aren't having a great life

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '23

This is the logic of a rapist.

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u/globodolla Feb 15 '23

The mental gymnastics you had to do to compare rape to this is astounding. F off please.

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u/globodolla Feb 15 '23

A victim of rape isn’t at fault when they’re raped because no matter what they’re wearing they don’t deserve to be assaulted.

This man in the video is going around and disrespecting individuals religion, so if he faces the consequences whose at fault?

Stop comparing apples to oranges moron

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u/aouniat Jan 25 '23

Why is it illegal and subject to imprisonment to publicly deny the Holocaust in a number of European countries?

I don't support extremism whatsoever. The Quran itself quotes disbelievers describing God with derogatory terms and the Prophet as being lunatic etc... and there's not a single verse that promotes retaliation. A word can only be fought by a word, not a sword.

The world would be a much better place if everyone would stop preaching others from the top of ivory towers..

My 2c.. Peace.

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u/brown_paper_bag_920 Jan 26 '23

As an American who cherishes freedom of speech, I actually disagree with European governments outlawing Holocaust denial - people should be free to express idiotic opinions and other people should be free to rebuke them. But this shouldn’t be something the government polices.

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u/aouniat Jan 26 '23

I agree with your reasoning.

While I don't think it should be illegal to express Idiotic opinions, people should talk to each other more in stead of acting like children.

Because how earth would denying the Holocaust or burning a "sacred" book solve anything?

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u/geriatric-sanatore Jan 25 '23

Because one is historic fact backed by overwhelming evidence (holocaust) to deny it exists is an affront to what happened. You're playing whataboutism here and it comes off as you saying that if denying the Holocaust is illegal why isn't burning the Quran or any other holy book also illegal. Well it is in a round about way, you can't just burn anything and leave it on the street the context of what you burn doesn't matter and shouldn't. People should be able to wipe their ass and then set it on fire in their fireplace if that's what they choose to do and shouldn't have any fear of disillusioned and radically twisted people harming them for it.

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

That's exactly what he's getting at, and people are thinking like you

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u/Forumites000 Jan 25 '23

No, I definitely agree with that guy. I do not want my country to welcome extremists. If you come here, you integrate, or stay in your shithole.

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u/fooliam Jan 25 '23

That's the thing that just confuses me.

Like, these people decide that their country is so shitty, so devoid of opportunity, with such a low standard of living that you pack up your family, move across the planet to a country where you don't know the culture, barely speak the language, etc...

And then you get pissed off and angry that this country you chose to move to doesn't have the same ass-backwards, middle-age theocratic bullshit that made the country you came from such an irrecoverable shithole?

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u/DependUponMe Jan 25 '23

People think like him for a reason though, the dude is exposing the insane Muslim extremism now present in many European countries. Let the Muslim people come, not the Muslim extremists

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u/DonnieJTrump Jan 25 '23

Who would have thought a religion that demoralizes women is not compatible with a modern, all equal society.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bar-678 Jan 25 '23

Are there religions that don't do this? Aside from Wicca?

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u/QueenZelda88 Jan 25 '23

Buddhism

But that's it

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u/trymepal Jan 27 '23

I’m a little late but FYI Traditional Buddhist thought holds that women are incapable of reaching enlightenment. This is hugely sexist by itself.

Various branches have come up with modern apologetics (like Christianity) to deny this among other typical sexism like a wife’s obedience to their husband, women are empty without a husband, the gods praise women for doing their hard roles, and a wife’s wants are second to her husbands.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

NXIVM /s

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u/Rme3P Jan 25 '23

Put a shirt on

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u/ThisIsMyReal-Name Jan 25 '23

Satanism

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bar-678 Jan 25 '23

Levayian doesn't strike me as very modern-minded when it comes to women. Tbh.

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u/ThisIsMyReal-Name Jan 25 '23

For what reason? I’m not an expert but the seven tenets of the satanic temple, and the eleven satanic rules of the earth seem pretty gender neutral slash empowering to the individual regardless of gender

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bar-678 Jan 25 '23

You're conflating the Leveyan Church of Satan with the Satanic Temple. Those are two different entities.

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u/4x4Lyfe Jan 25 '23

Find me a religion that doesn't

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u/Outlander_-_ Jan 25 '23

Buddhism?

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u/FatSpace Jan 29 '23

sadly buddhism isnt any better since women are considered a corruption of life, never being able to reach enlightenment.

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u/Outlander_-_ Jan 29 '23

We talked about this further in this thread and that is a heavily disputed point.

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u/Timoman6 Jan 25 '23

They don't, they're a means of control over others, regardless of their original intent

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u/feronen Jan 25 '23

I've yet to meet a practicing Shintoist that got angry when someone told him his choice of god was bad.

I've also yet to meet a Sikh who has killed for anything beyond self defense or national duty.

The Amish leave people alone...

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u/MrHandsomePixel Jan 25 '23

The Church of Satan (no, not Temple of Satan, those two are nowhere near the same)

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u/Spugheddy Jan 25 '23

It's crazy how well they proved his point both are extreme only 1 chose violence....

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u/ZiKyooc Jan 25 '23

And we are talking about Abrahamic religions here isn't?

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u/SliceOfTony Jan 26 '23

Meanwhile in the United States of Jesus

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

Ban all religion then?

If it's only Islam you have a problem with I have some news for you

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u/Betasheets Jan 25 '23

You can't ban an idea. You can stop taking in immigrants though

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

Ok so it is just racism. Got it. Thanks.

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u/Betasheets Jan 25 '23

Not taking in immigrants because they are causing violence because of people's freedom of speech isn't racism

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

  1. They aren't causing violence. Crime has a direct correlation with poverty.

  2. Blaming any up-tick in violent crime as being caused by an out group rather than socioeconomic conditions is in fact racism.

Either there is violent acts being committed because of an external influence, such as poverty or lack of access to education and opportunity or you believe there is an internal influence. Believing there is an inherently violent characteristic to immigrant groups is just racist.

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u/NoPseudo____ Jan 25 '23

I see this as an absolute win !

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

Oh no don't get me wrong. I despise religion. But the same people saying "Islam isn't compatible" are supposedly trying to defend free speech. Entirely hypocritically. If you draw the line at hateful rhetoric not counting as free speech and use that to argue we ban religion: valid and I mostly agree in principle.

But if you want to defend someones right to burn a religious text, you need to defend the right to read it to begin with. That's not what's happening here in this thread.

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u/Doorooroo0 Jan 25 '23

You can say this about pretty much any major religion though.

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u/Impossible-Junket-52 Jan 25 '23

Sikhs have entered the chat.

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u/hellsrells Jan 25 '23

Ahh yes the major religion representing ~0.3% of the global population

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u/Impossible-Junket-52 Jan 25 '23

Sikhism is the 5th largest global religion?…

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u/hellsrells Jan 25 '23

It sure is, but I still feel it's a stretch to call 25 million relative outliers (largely concentrated in a single country) out of 8 billion people a "major" world religion. Even more so, it seems like a poor example of why major religions aren't bad to women, which was the original point for bringing it up, right?

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u/daveinpublic Jan 25 '23

No, you really can’t

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u/dasus Jan 25 '23

Well, for the Abrahamic ones, you can.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_monotheism

The intolerance of narrow monotheism is written in letters of blood across the history of man from the time when first the tribes of Israel burst into the land of Canaan. The worshippers of the one jealous God are egged on to aggressive wars against people of alien [beliefs and cultures]. They invoke divine sanction for the cruelties inflicted on the conquered. The spirit of old Israel is inherited by Christianity and Islam, and it might not be unreasonable to suggest that it would have been better for Western civilization if Greece had moulded it on this question rather than Palestine.

It's "just" that Muslims happen to be the most common extremists. (For some reason), but you can quite easily find American Christian extremists, Israeli Jewish extremists and even Buddhist extremists (even though arguably not a religion and definitely not an Abrahamic one).

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u/MILLANDSON Jan 25 '23

American evangelicals pushing for the banning and imprisonment of LGBT people and banning women from access to reproductive healthcare, Buddhist extremists who attempt genocide in Myanmar against minorities, and numerous others suggest otherwise.

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u/Internal-Owl-505 Jan 25 '23

Buddhist extremists who attempt genocide in Myanmar

What in the actual world are you talking about?

What in Min Aung Hlaing's politics is informed by Buddhism?

That's like saying Vladimir Putin is at war with Ukraine because he is a Christian extremist.

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u/LeeroyDagnasty Jan 25 '23

The vatniks are blaming Ukraine’s successes on literal demons so that analogy isn’t far off

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u/WeAreStarStuff143 Jan 25 '23

Btw I hope Aung San Suu Kyi burns in hell for supporting the genocide of the Rohingya.

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u/peepopowitz67 Jan 25 '23

I guess, on paper at least, Buddhists are pretty cool....

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u/Doorooroo0 Jan 25 '23

Sure thing, go ask the bearded man to forgive me than.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23 edited Feb 23 '23

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u/Doorooroo0 Jan 25 '23

Tell me one major religion that doesn't consider women inferior to men then.

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u/ravynnsinister Jan 25 '23

I would say Wicca, like mentioned above, but I don’t think it’s considered a major religion.

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u/Haha1867hoser420 Jan 25 '23

Buddhism

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u/Doorooroo0 Jan 25 '23

I don't think you know enough about Buddhism to have a meaningful conversation about this.

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u/91singletrack Jan 25 '23

Let the Muslim people come, not the Muslim extremists

How do you tell the difference? A questionnaire?

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u/Deathlisted Jan 25 '23

Burning the Quran and looking at the reaction

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u/RichMill32 Jan 25 '23

I think it’s called the LITmus….lim test

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u/FatSpace Jan 29 '23

ah, the shopping cart test

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u/boogerfrog Feb 10 '23

So committing a hate crime and seeing who reacts to it? Get fuckin real dude. Just say you hate Muslims… it’s obvious

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '23

If someone murders you because of your religion, then that's a hate crime. The perpetrator deserves up to live imprisonment for hate motivated first degree murder, as opposed to other murders because of a risk of the recidivism. If someone demonstrates you a video of Harry Potter's book burning and you get mad, then you are the problem

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u/meeee Jan 25 '23

I’m actually thinking that would work for a large percentage of extremists, yeah.

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u/91singletrack Jan 26 '23

You know you might be correct. They certainly aren't the brightest folks.

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u/TheAlexDumas Jan 25 '23

Lying is a religious duty when it's to 'infidels.'

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u/ravynnsinister Jan 25 '23

You see a woman in public without a male escort and no head covering. What do you do?

A) You don’t even notice because you’re too busy minding your own business.

B) You pick up a couple of pebbles and throw them at her, while yelling disparaging comments

C) Kill her. And kill any Americans standing around just for shits and gigs

D) B and C

An example of the questionnaire

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u/CporCv Jan 25 '23

"Were happy to offer the job of immigration survey specialist to ravynnsinister" - Norwegian Directorate of immigrantion

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u/Thrud_The_Barbarian Jan 25 '23

You can't, so a good government would choose to err on the side of protecting their own citizens and not let either come.

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u/Suitable-Mountain-81 Jan 25 '23

This "governments protecting their citizens" business. Where are you getting these ideas?

/s

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u/Suitable-Mountain-81 Jan 25 '23

Q.666 somebody has burned a book in protest. What do you do? A. Flip their car B. Flip their car with the help of your car C. Walk away D. Think, "I shouldn't have entered this country".

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u/mewthulhu Jan 25 '23 • Gold

I'm liberal. Firmly. And many in my country have a huge thing of stop the boats, no refugees, and I disagree.

No, don't stop the boats. Fuck it, we all came here via boats. But for fuck's sake just goddamn coexist. You have no fucking right to bring your fucking bullshit to my country. This isn't just Muslim Extremism, we get Evangelical nutjob Americans come here too and they're unwelcome too. Leave it at the fuckin' door when you come into a multicultural society.

If paper being burned gives you the right, in your mind, to kill a person, then I think it's time to deport your ass to a country where that actually is the law. There's plenty! If you don't like someone's liberty to do that with property they've bought, then that's fine, but you're not compatible. If that's a bible, a quaran, or you're an incel libertarian screeching about someone burning Atlas Shrugged, I don't give a fuck; you're not a viable member of modern society.

People should be free to leave hellhole countries as they please, escape it, but you leave the fucking hell behind, you can't just go to a place where the grass is greener and then start pouring gasoline all over it.

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

But what if pouring gasoline is the average? Or close to?

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u/Prestigious-Weird-33 Jan 25 '23

Various polls have been done, depending in the exact questions and variable honesty of the answer (Islam directly encourages Muslims to lie and deceive non Muslims, see etc.) ... Roughly ¾ 9f Muslims in Europe want to see Sharia Law, read up about exactly what that means, and you understand that we have a problem with 75% of Muslims, they are either extremists, or actively sympathetic to large parts of the Wahabbi/Salafist extremists, and they are constantly under pressure to become more fanatical, by the fanatics

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u/Final-Illustrator402 Jan 25 '23

I see this all the time and as a Muslim it always makes me laugh.

Do you honestly think we are taught to lie to non Muslims? I know you are going to link the hadith where it says we can lie to non Muslims in certain situations, but do you genuinely believe we are taught to do it? We go to mosque and have lessons on lying to non believers?

I encourage you to find and attend your local mosque, I promise you we are not actively sympathetic to extremists and you might learn that we are generally taught to love and be kind.

You get the crazies in every religion and non religion.

The only place i could find that 75% figure you quoted was from Tunisia (which is Africa, not Europe), do you have a source for that?

If you want to burn a Qur'an that's cool, it's your book and it's you specifically going out to insult and hurt someone and there religion, it makes me wonder who the fanatic is...

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u/DietCokeAndProtein Jan 25 '23

You get the crazies in every religion and non religion.

Except your religion can be used to justify the crazies. Religion that involves worshipping a God can justify practically anything in the name of that God, because you're following your interpretation of what an all powerful God wants.

With non-religion, yeah, you can get crazies, but there is literally no stronger reason to do or believe something than when it's because that's what a literal God wants.

The problem is religion. Religion is a bunch of nonsense written by uneducated men to explain shit that they weren't smart enough to explain at the time, and to control people. It's not real.

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u/captainpuma Jan 25 '23

How would you know the difference?

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u/osmlol Jan 25 '23

Burn a book in front of them apparently.

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u/captainpuma Jan 25 '23

Sounds expensive!

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u/really_nice_guy_ Jan 25 '23

No they give them out for free

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u/solid_hoist Jan 25 '23

You line them all up and get rid of the people at both extremes, duh.

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u/Ruthrfurd-the-stoned Jan 25 '23

Careful, you want the mean religious people but this method puts you at risk of getting the median!

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u/IAMTHATGUY03 Jan 25 '23

Burn the Quran in front of them, duh.

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u/Gloria_Stits Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Why would you let them in before you could figure it out?

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u/Antiqas86 Jan 25 '23

You wouldn't. Yep. We all know it.

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u/Slendercan Jan 25 '23

He seems to be a bit more extreme himself than what you’re letting on.

“The enemy is Islam and Muslims. The best thing would be if there were not a single Muslim left on this earth. Then we would have reached our final goal." this quote seems particularly concerning and inciting.

The bit about him being initially popular with teenage boys on social media, before springing into a larger following, screams of an Andrew Tate type of situation, just with the focus on Islam rather than women.

There is plenty of moderate discussion on immigration occurring with individuals and organisations. This guy seems at best a grifter and at worst an extremist, who would most likely do a lot of damage if given the keys to the kingdom.

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u/lemswen Jan 25 '23

What is absurd to me is we can shit on Christianity until the cows come home, but the second people points out flaws in Islam they are just racist xenophobic people, and sure burning the Quran is a shitty thing to do but what the fuck?? You are gonna attempt to MURDER someone over your fucking book?

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u/IamScottGable Jan 25 '23

If you ran around burning bibles in almost any Midwesterner America state I promise you someone would flip out like this. Probably shoot you before the car was involved

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u/DependUponMe Jan 25 '23

I don't want evangelist wackos coming to Europe either, America can keep em

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u/x_x_x_x_x Jan 25 '23

Bibles and American flags are quite often burned in the USA as a form of protest.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/portland-protesters-burn-bibles/

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u/IamScottGable Jan 25 '23

Yeah the examples in thuis article don't match what is happening in this video AND Portland is far from being a Midwestern state. There's a reason america is coasts v inland

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

As long as it was your bible you would just get told you need jesus.

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u/ralphvonwauwau Jan 25 '23

“Islam cannot be either ‘moderate’ or ‘not moderate.’ Islam can only be one thing,” - Erdoğan

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u/Caveman108 Jan 25 '23

Can you have one without the other? Something about Islam seems to foment extremists. Not to say there’s not extremists of other religions, just that Muslim ones seem to be more prevalent

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u/poppin_pandos Jan 25 '23

There’s no difference

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u/DependUponMe Jan 25 '23

There is, but unfortunately a notable percentage of Muslim people are extremists due to the nature of the religion

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u/IWantAnAffliction Jan 25 '23

reddit moment

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u/bedroombadass Jan 25 '23

They’re one and the same

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

If only there was socioeconomic factors as to why there is a need for migration. If only instead of looking at victims of economic violence as our enemies, we accept that the owners of our planet, the wealthy, want us to turn on our neighbour to protect their interests.

In the U.S. you are more likely to die from furniture related falls than you are from terrorism and the majority of terrorism is committed by White Far Right psychos.

He's exposing nothing. He's turning his neighbours into a scapegoat for economic violence and alienation we are victim to under capitalism.

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u/Superfatbear Jan 25 '23

Well no shit. Burning a book vs flipping a car with hundreds of other motorists.

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u/TempestLock Jan 25 '23

For good reason too. One is a danger to life, not just of those involved but others as well. The other is a man burning his own property.

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u/ChinesePropagandaBot Jan 25 '23

Well, they're not wrong.

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u/orthodoxcarl Jan 25 '23

And he isn't wrong.

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u/jonasnee Jan 25 '23

pointing out there is a problem doesnt mean the problem didnt exist before.

we have freedom of speech, we dont live in the 1500s anymore. just because someone is an idiot does not justify violence against them.

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u/Can_Of_Beans53 Jan 25 '23

*People are thinking

FTFY, it's not very hard to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine coming to a country and then attacking it's inhabitants for offending *you*. Fucking insane. Yes, I know the Quran means an incredible amount to Muslims, but still, insane behavior. And if burning the Quran was the threshold to provoke this type of behavior, I could somewhat understand it, but winning matches at the football world championship gets some people rioting already.

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u/podcast_frog3817 Jan 25 '23

YEAH lol, like whos crazier, the guy whos peacefully protesting by lighting paper on fire.... or the psycho who gets in a vehicle chases after him and rams him on a highway around a bunch of other cars driving by.

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u/mavthemarxist Jan 25 '23

The deadliest terror attack ever in Norway was done by these far right fanatics

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u/KosherNazi Jan 25 '23

far right fanatics

They're both far-right fanatics. Only one of them was being violent in this video, though.

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u/Marigold16 Jan 25 '23

This innocent victim, seeing a book being burned was willing to:

Damage and potentially destroy his own car.

Damage and potentially destroy the fascists car (to be fair I don't care about that bit. Fuck the facists)

And willfully cause a colision on the motorway/highway/autobahn. Potentially killing several people around them.

Fuck all parties involved in this nonsense.

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u/Abeneezer Jan 25 '23

Just for people who are unaware: The political stance of Rasmus Paludan is A LOT more extreme than just "I should be able to freely burn paper publicly".

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u/TheManWithNoNameZapp Jan 25 '23

He can be a giant piece of shit and it still makes their reaction to him in this video completely unacceptable. You aren’t granted the ability to break laws or cause direct harm because someone offends you. Zero exceptions.

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u/Abeneezer Jan 25 '23

It's not him in the video...

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u/souprize Jan 25 '23

You just need to do this to enough people to catch a person nuts enough to do that and bam, all immigrants can be painted with that brush.

I have very little sympathy for anyone in this clip.

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u/FunAtPartysBot Jan 25 '23

Doesn't mean they're not both insane groups of people

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u/Dentlas Jan 25 '23

He was in Denmark before, but he didn't get enough rally behind him.

Went to Sweden and suddenly he had.

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His hole plan is to show they're extremists, and it's working really, really, well. More and more people in the whole of Scandinavia side with him, rather with them, as they burn down cities, attack and murder randoms, and act like Turkey. They're literally digging their own graves over a fucking book.

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u/Biggie-Cheese6969 Jan 25 '23

I could be wrong or misremembering so feel free to correct me if thats the case but dont a lot of people in scandanavia hate the immigrants that are taken in as since they started taking them in rape crime statistics skyrocketed to their highest ever alongside other violent crimes of similar nature?

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u/endorphin-neuron Jan 25 '23

Sweden also took in a fucking crazy amount of them. Like, comparing per-capita intake to Germany, Sweden took in like 3-4x more than Germany.

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u/Funkiebastard Jan 25 '23

Not expected to replace the culture, never replace culture. But integrate into society yes. If you have other traditions, no one wil force you to change. Had a kid in my class back in 4-6 grade that was muslim and he was excused from all Christmas related things and anything involving the church. Nothing wrong with that and it was respected.

However the issue is many have loved here for a long time and still haven't learned swedish. They have not integrated into society. There aren't any ghettos here but yes, areas more dense in immigrants. Issue is, as Sweden was one of the few countries who actually took in people during crisis, we took in more than we could handle.

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u/Stalysfa Jan 26 '23

You know what the worst part is? We’ve known this problem ever since the fucking Roman times.

They had a handbook about how to handle migrations. You accept their demand to come. You meet them with a huge force, you disarm them and then split them up everywhere in the empire.

They stopped doing it with the goth and it led to the disaster we later all know about Rome. When you accept large numbers of migrants, you break up the group and spread them everywhere.

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u/aBlissfulDaze Jan 25 '23

Ah so they made ghettos and ghettos do what they've always done.

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u/ImMellow420 Jan 26 '23

This is highly simplified. Even when 'done correctly' a large amount don't want to assimilate or integrate into society, which is a bad thing, cause societies aren't really meant to be split like that.

Mutlicultural society? Sure, that could work. Split groups society? No. That never works.

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u/probiscius Jan 29 '23

The majority of Mandaeans, Assyrian Christians and Yezidis from Iraq in Sweden don't commit rampant crimes. It has nothing to do with living with their own kind.

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

Yes that's correct, hate might be a strong word but a lot of people do blame them for the recent gang problems and rape statistics. To the point where they can't include the race of criminals in court documents because people use it to justify their racism.

It's almost 50/50 politically in Sweden between people for and against immigration.

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u/liltwizzle Jan 25 '23

So quite clearly it's a Muslim problem yet you still say they are racist crazy

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

Well if they use the race of a person stated I nthe court documents to push their ideas then that's quite obviously racism, even if it's connected to their religion race is also a factor in this prosecution

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u/liltwizzle Jan 25 '23

Except the issue quite clearly stems from them it'd not racist to point that out or hate them for it

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

It does become racism when they push this idea to the point where they say "all syrians/pakistani/immigrants need to be deported" which is the point its reached in many parts of the country

Not everyone causes problems, most don't

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u/liltwizzle Jan 25 '23

So how else do you combat this issue? Thr easiest way is getting rid of them

Not everyone I agree but sure as hell enough

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u/fooliam Jan 25 '23

rape, sexual assault, violent crime, petty theft...yep those all dramatically increased.

ANd that's not taking into account things like "Muslim patrols", where groups of Islamist men go around threatening , sometimes even violently attacking them, for violating their religious dogma regarding modesty and behavior in public.

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u/ballsackcancer Jan 25 '23

Clearly these women are very nonviolent and reasonable.

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u/WorldNetizenZero Jan 25 '23

be wrong or misremembering so feel free to correct me if thats the case

rape crime statistics skyrocketed

Sweden has had reforms of sexual assault laws during 2000s and 2010s. This causes a massive disparity in Nordic statistics, as what wouldn't qualify as an sexual assault, or even at extremes sexual harassment, is considered rape in Sweden.

Additionally Swedish law counts each act seperate and statistics collect info on charges, not convictions. This leads to a situation where a failed charge of a partner raping the other every day for a year to be marked as 0 rapes in Finnish statistics, yet in Sweden it's counted as 365. As far as I understand the Finnish model is the case with Denmark and Norway too.

It can get even weirder, as in UK's case if the partner above was a woman, she couldn't be charged for rape anyway. UK law requires a penis for such an act to be charged.

At least this the case in late 2010s. There is some comparative studies and at least one in English on those statistics. I don't know if or how statistic collection and laws have changed, so this info might be outdated.

But the statistics on Sweden that spread around in 2015-2016 were real, but they were not standardized (measuring the same thing). And 2010s was nothing new, as Sweden has been on top of Council of Europe rape statistic for its entire history. In 1990s rapes increased by ¼ within a year due to a law change. A prime example of lying with statistics.

(My point is not commenting on social or immigration policy, but noting that Swedish statistics are, quite literally, rather special).

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u/baaru5 Jan 25 '23

Look im usually on the side of the minority and against prosecution... But this is nuts. I can understand the anti immigrant sentiment in this instance.

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

And that's the sad part, I too am leaning towards his side.

It's also a fact that rape statistics and general crime rate has increased since Sweden started letting in these immigrants, which is what's spark this hate towards them. It's a gross over generalization but it still stands true

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u/lostduck86 Jan 25 '23

Not a gross over generalisation then

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u/A1000eisn1 Jan 25 '23

I figure if someone drove around some town in Alabama burning bibles and making a scene something similar would probably happen.

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

He burned a book he bought, lets flip his car?

How about lets deport those cunts

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u/testa12 Jan 25 '23

I wonder why they’re against them? Maybe it’s got something to do with them harking from a culture that kills people who question their stupid fucking religion.

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u/BingusBeerus Jan 25 '23

Yeah, Religious Fruitcakes come in every flavor, organized religion is like poison for the mind.

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u/dmc-going-digital Jan 25 '23

religion is like poison

As if humans needed Religion to do that, if Religion didn't exist this would still have happened. Don't act like Religion made a difference

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u/KradeSmith Jan 25 '23

I mean humans can always be shitty but organised religion seems to breed some especially scummy behaviour and across a large populace

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u/stone111111 Jan 25 '23

I've always believed the issue to be the "organized" part.

Rarely have issues with individuals that like jesus, often have issues with groups of jesus lovers, as an example. I think the idea of an organization built on faith, a thing you have to hold intrinsically without evidence, attracts lots of manipulative people and is the perfect tool for them to manipulate others with.

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u/ShetlandJames Jan 25 '23

"If you want to get good people to do wicked things, you need religion"

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u/endorphin-neuron Jan 25 '23

especially in Sweden.

Hmmmmm, I wonder why??

Could it be the massively increased crimes and rapes per capita that perfectly coincide with Sweden taking in absurd amounts of "Syrian" refugees?

Nah, that can't be it.

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u/Montallas Jan 25 '23

When you started talking about the extremists in Scandinavia I thought you were talking about the violent women who flipped the car. Not the book burner…

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

They are definitely extremist, just in a different ideology

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u/analfizzzure Jan 25 '23

Fuck every single person who defends their religion through violence. They don't deserve a chance to live in the civilized world.

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u/Limited_Sanity Jan 25 '23

Spot on. I went to Denmark in 2019 and Paludan was just starting to do this. Copenhagen flipped the fuck out on the night that I arrived. They set fires and flipped cars throughout the city in waves. I went out and got several pictures soon afterwards. Nearly ruined my Air B&B's rug with the amount of soot I drug back in.

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u/ecr1277 Jan 25 '23

Any chance he’s super religious, just stalk him and repeatedly burn the Bible.

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u/epoof Jan 25 '23

He is also highly volatile and dangerous

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u/pocketdare Jan 25 '23

Yeah, unfortunately, with so many nutjobs in the world, it's becoming fairly easy to find evidence that any group is "radical". Want to discredit your local PTA group? Go out and start shit with a few Karen's that represent said organization and film the ensuing chaos

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u/TurquoiseFinch Jan 25 '23

Damn looks like he’s right. Sad what’s happening there.

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u/FlaccidNeckMeat Jan 25 '23

That's insane, I'm used to this kind of goofy plot in some comic book or something fictional.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

Yeah, I kinda think this could be a good test to see if they can tolerate Western values. Anybody who can't see that this is a severe overreaction to some asshole burning a book doesn't deserve to stay in the country.

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u/Steveland99 Jan 25 '23

Bro, I think running someone off the road is a few rungs higher on the ladder of extremism than burning some dumb book.

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u/Poerisija2 Jan 25 '23

For once, both sides are idiots.

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u/BestGiraffe1270 Jan 25 '23

Only point proven is that mercedes are better than landrovers

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u/Bro9water Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Call me crazy but i think a little bit of racism is justified as long as your race hasn't enslaved the other race for centuries.

Edit: what i mean by this is that between the most racist bigot whose race hasn't actually done anything bad to the other race and who hasn't actually committed any crimes against the other race should be deemed less evil then a person who tries to pit a car for burning a book

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u/jacksonattack Jan 25 '23

They are proving his point and that’s why this issue needs to be looked at in a far more geopolitical light and a far less racial or ethnic one.

Burning a religious text isn’t illegal in the countries we’re discussing. You can burn any book you want. And whether any of us like it or not, nations do, in fact, have laws… ones that prevent and punish legitimate crimes. Like assault and battery. And the overwhelming majority of developed nations don’t allow a free pass to citizens who are so sensitive about their religious beliefs that they feel compelled to attack someone who defies those beliefs.

It’s 2023. The world just now recovering from a horrible pandemic and one of the worst surges in nationalism and dictatorships that we’ve all seen in some time. It’s time we recover fully recover from religious dogmatism too. This Rasmus dude is a fucking shitbird, as are all the people he associates with, but what he’s doing is exposing religious zealots as the threat to civilized society that they are. It’s no different in the US with the MAGA christofacist crowd. Sure, Paludan and his ilk are a threat too, but we can look at this with mutual exclusivity here, right?

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u/MonsterMash6969 Jan 26 '23

Should be mentioned that this video is actually not Rasmus Paludan who mainly does his business is Sweden and Denmark, but a related Norwegian organization who wanted the same publicity as he had gotten.

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u/MoonlightMural Feb 06 '23

Regardless of any of Rasmus' other beliefs, he is correct about Islam. Islamists are the far-right of the middle east. If they were in power in the west they would imprison, kill, torture, and persecute everyone who wasn't Muslim. That's according to them btw, they are quite clear on their stance regarding western morality. The religion is a religion of discrimination, rape, violence, and hate, and should not be accepted by westerners because it is anathema to everything we believe.

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u/onkel_Kaos Jan 25 '23

He did that so many times in Denmark that police Got enough of him and told him to get his own bodyguards. No more police protection for him in Denmark. Heis on his own.. thrn he moved to sweden. Poor sweden.

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u/turbulance4 Jan 25 '23

In the American old West this would be called an outlaw.

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u/onkel_Kaos Jan 25 '23

Oh we call them politicans here.

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u/turbulance4 Jan 25 '23

Do the police not protect your politicians?

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u/dmc-going-digital Jan 25 '23

Imagine you are so confrontational that the police tells you to fuck off

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u/rhen_var Jan 25 '23

I mean, he has me convinced. Dick move, maybe. But people who would try to murder someone over a silly little book don’t belong in modern Western society. If they were born there, they can go to jail. If they are immigrants, they can go back to the Middle East, since it’s clearly a better fit for their culture.

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u/riskable Jan 25 '23

People just need to be patient and make sure that immigrant communities don't get isolated (even if it's self-imposed). Sure, first generation immigrants can be extreme with their religious/cultural views but the truth is that by the second or third generation their descendants will all be atheists (thanks to the Internet giving them access to objective reality).

So be nice! Invite them to community events and make them feel welcome and most importantly, make sure their kids go to school and play with everyone else's kids.

When cultures mix properly we get peaceful relations and awesome new food.

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u/Emon76 Jan 25 '23

I look at these videos and all these comments in despair about the worship of hate and judgment sometimes. It's comments like yours that continue to remind me that I'm wrong. We are all love, and we all find the common ground to unite in peace someday soon 😊

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u/haraldsono Jan 25 '23

Eh. That’s not Rasmus Paludan. Lars Thorsen is his name.

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u/MichealScott1991 Jan 25 '23

It’s not unfortunate, Islam is always like this. It’s violent unlike any other religion.

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u/Oof_my_eyes Jan 25 '23

I mean he IS right though. And I’d much rather put up with some bigot than tons of people who will become extremely violent the minute you do something minor against their religion

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u/RichAd192 Jan 25 '23

I don’t think they’re proving his point because he’s clearly deliberately antagonizing them. We don’t have to defend their response to say that it’s the likely consequence of his kind of behavior. In fact, that’s the definition of a crime. It’s called malice aforethought.

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