r/PublicFreakout • u/ImYourRealDadHey • Jan 24 '23

2 lady’s flipping a guys car after he burnt the Quran Repost 😔

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u/Daymandayman Jan 25 '23

I would have never expected this to happen in Norway that’s crazy.

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23 • Helpful 'MURICA

There's quite a few right wingers in Scandinavia that are against all the immigrants we take in, especially in Sweden. This guy, Rasmus Paludan, is going around and burning the Quran to show that Muslim immigrants are "highly volatile and dangerous".

Unfortunately they are kind of proving his point...

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u/KosherNazi Jan 25 '23

I’d rather put up with a guy lighting up a stack of paper in a park than someone crazy enough to ram me with a car for doing so.

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

That's exactly what he's getting at, and people are thinking like you

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u/Forumites000 Jan 25 '23

No, I definitely agree with that guy. I do not want my country to welcome extremists. If you come here, you integrate, or stay in your shithole.

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u/fooliam Jan 25 '23

That's the thing that just confuses me.

Like, these people decide that their country is so shitty, so devoid of opportunity, with such a low standard of living that you pack up your family, move across the planet to a country where you don't know the culture, barely speak the language, etc...

And then you get pissed off and angry that this country you chose to move to doesn't have the same ass-backwards, middle-age theocratic bullshit that made the country you came from such an irrecoverable shithole?

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u/DependUponMe Jan 25 '23

People think like him for a reason though, the dude is exposing the insane Muslim extremism now present in many European countries. Let the Muslim people come, not the Muslim extremists

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u/DonnieJTrump Jan 25 '23

Who would have thought a religion that demoralizes women is not compatible with a modern, all equal society.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bar-678 Jan 25 '23

Are there religions that don't do this? Aside from Wicca?

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u/QueenZelda88 Jan 25 '23

Buddhism

But that's it

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u/trymepal Jan 27 '23

I’m a little late but FYI Traditional Buddhist thought holds that women are incapable of reaching enlightenment. This is hugely sexist by itself.

Various branches have come up with modern apologetics (like Christianity) to deny this among other typical sexism like a wife’s obedience to their husband, women are empty without a husband, the gods praise women for doing their hard roles, and a wife’s wants are second to her husbands.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

NXIVM /s

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u/Rme3P Jan 25 '23

Put a shirt on

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u/ThisIsMyReal-Name Jan 25 '23

Satanism

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bar-678 Jan 25 '23

Levayian doesn't strike me as very modern-minded when it comes to women. Tbh.

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u/ThisIsMyReal-Name Jan 25 '23

For what reason? I’m not an expert but the seven tenets of the satanic temple, and the eleven satanic rules of the earth seem pretty gender neutral slash empowering to the individual regardless of gender

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bar-678 Jan 25 '23

You're conflating the Leveyan Church of Satan with the Satanic Temple. Those are two different entities.

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u/ThisIsMyReal-Name Jan 25 '23

As I said, both the satanic temples (who I would consider a much more accurate representation of modern Satanism) tenets, and LaVeys eleven satanic rules of the earth, are both empowering to the individual regardless of gender.

I am not conflating anything, you are avoiding the question.

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u/4x4Lyfe Jan 25 '23

Find me a religion that doesn't

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u/Outlander_-_ Jan 25 '23

Buddhism?

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u/FatSpace Jan 29 '23

sadly buddhism isnt any better since women are considered a corruption of life, never being able to reach enlightenment.

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u/Outlander_-_ Jan 29 '23

We talked about this further in this thread and that is a heavily disputed point.

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u/Taylan_K Jan 25 '23

Buddhism sucks ass.

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u/Outlander_-_ Jan 25 '23

Why?

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u/Taylan_K Jan 25 '23

I just had surgery (1h ago) and not gonna type a big ass essay. Women can only reach enlightenment by being reborn as a man for example.

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u/ravynnsinister Jan 25 '23

This isn’t true at all. I mean, I’m empathetic towards your surgery, but maybe it’s not a good idea to try to start a debate in your altered state of mind.

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u/Taylan_K Jan 25 '23

Tell me why it isn't true? I had 3 semesters with a lot of Buddhism. It didn't strike me as a woman friendly religion

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u/Outlander_-_ Jan 25 '23

That’s just not true…

“The Buddha was initially reluctant. Ānanda then asked if women, with a suitable opportunity, could attain full enlightenment. The Buddha replied positively: women are equally capable of reaching the highest levels of spiritual enlightenment as men.”

I even searched specifically for what you said and couldn’t find anything. In fact most things point to the opposite.

Edit: I found what you mentioned, and it seems that position is largely disputed today.

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u/Taylan_K Jan 25 '23

I can't cite sources right now but that's what we learned at university with teachings importedto Japan mainly via China.

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u/Professional_Pie_894 Jan 25 '23

There is also Buddhist extremism sadly.

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u/Timoman6 Jan 25 '23

They don't, they're a means of control over others, regardless of their original intent

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u/feronen Jan 25 '23

I've yet to meet a practicing Shintoist that got angry when someone told him his choice of god was bad.

I've also yet to meet a Sikh who has killed for anything beyond self defense or national duty.

The Amish leave people alone...

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u/showmethemoniez Jan 25 '23

Since we’re talking anecdotes, i’ve seen Sikhs, Hindus, Atheists as well as Muslims and Christians do fucked up violent things to others. Common denominator, they’re all human. Every group of human has the potential for this disease no matter their cause.

However, If it takes a handful of people for you to discredit 1.4bn people, then it’s painfully clear your mind was already made up and you love to see your biases confirmed.

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u/MrHandsomePixel Jan 25 '23

The Church of Satan (no, not Temple of Satan, those two are nowhere near the same)

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u/Spugheddy Jan 25 '23

It's crazy how well they proved his point both are extreme only 1 chose violence....

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u/ZiKyooc Jan 25 '23

And we are talking about Abrahamic religions here isn't?

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u/SliceOfTony Jan 26 '23

Meanwhile in the United States of Jesus

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

Ban all religion then?

If it's only Islam you have a problem with I have some news for you

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u/Betasheets Jan 25 '23

You can't ban an idea. You can stop taking in immigrants though

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

Ok so it is just racism. Got it. Thanks.

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u/Betasheets Jan 25 '23

Not taking in immigrants because they are causing violence because of people's freedom of speech isn't racism

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

  1. They aren't causing violence. Crime has a direct correlation with poverty.

  2. Blaming any up-tick in violent crime as being caused by an out group rather than socioeconomic conditions is in fact racism.

Either there is violent acts being committed because of an external influence, such as poverty or lack of access to education and opportunity or you believe there is an internal influence. Believing there is an inherently violent characteristic to immigrant groups is just racist.

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u/Betasheets Jan 25 '23

Lol you have literally no clue what you're talking about

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

Oh wow insightful comment, thanks.

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u/NoPseudo____ Jan 25 '23

I see this as an absolute win !

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

Oh no don't get me wrong. I despise religion. But the same people saying "Islam isn't compatible" are supposedly trying to defend free speech. Entirely hypocritically. If you draw the line at hateful rhetoric not counting as free speech and use that to argue we ban religion: valid and I mostly agree in principle.

But if you want to defend someones right to burn a religious text, you need to defend the right to read it to begin with. That's not what's happening here in this thread.

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u/DrVikingGuy Jan 25 '23

not all religion is derogatory and violent like Islams is. Name another, besides christianity.

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u/IC_Eng101 Jan 25 '23

I was gona say jews but they follow the same book as the christians.

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u/DrVikingGuy Jan 25 '23

... no they dont. The OT is not the entirety of jewish "Lore", for lack of a better word. It is only part of it

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u/Doorooroo0 Jan 25 '23

You can say this about pretty much any major religion though.

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u/Impossible-Junket-52 Jan 25 '23

Sikhs have entered the chat.

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u/hellsrells Jan 25 '23

Ahh yes the major religion representing ~0.3% of the global population

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u/Impossible-Junket-52 Jan 25 '23

Sikhism is the 5th largest global religion?…

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u/hellsrells Jan 25 '23

It sure is, but I still feel it's a stretch to call 25 million relative outliers (largely concentrated in a single country) out of 8 billion people a "major" world religion. Even more so, it seems like a poor example of why major religions aren't bad to women, which was the original point for bringing it up, right?

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u/daveinpublic Jan 25 '23

No, you really can’t

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u/dasus Jan 25 '23

Well, for the Abrahamic ones, you can.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_monotheism

The intolerance of narrow monotheism is written in letters of blood across the history of man from the time when first the tribes of Israel burst into the land of Canaan. The worshippers of the one jealous God are egged on to aggressive wars against people of alien [beliefs and cultures]. They invoke divine sanction for the cruelties inflicted on the conquered. The spirit of old Israel is inherited by Christianity and Islam, and it might not be unreasonable to suggest that it would have been better for Western civilization if Greece had moulded it on this question rather than Palestine.

It's "just" that Muslims happen to be the most common extremists. (For some reason), but you can quite easily find American Christian extremists, Israeli Jewish extremists and even Buddhist extremists (even though arguably not a religion and definitely not an Abrahamic one).

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u/MILLANDSON Jan 25 '23

American evangelicals pushing for the banning and imprisonment of LGBT people and banning women from access to reproductive healthcare, Buddhist extremists who attempt genocide in Myanmar against minorities, and numerous others suggest otherwise.

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u/Internal-Owl-505 Jan 25 '23

Buddhist extremists who attempt genocide in Myanmar

What in the actual world are you talking about?

What in Min Aung Hlaing's politics is informed by Buddhism?

That's like saying Vladimir Putin is at war with Ukraine because he is a Christian extremist.

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u/LeeroyDagnasty Jan 25 '23

The vatniks are blaming Ukraine’s successes on literal demons so that analogy isn’t far off

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u/WeAreStarStuff143 Jan 25 '23

Btw I hope Aung San Suu Kyi burns in hell for supporting the genocide of the Rohingya.

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u/daveinpublic Jan 25 '23

Hm, this dude got people to flip his car in a random town square, so pretty common mindset. American evangelicals who want to imprison LGBT? I doubt I could find one if I asked all day. Are you one of those Redditors who exaggerates?

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

I think you could probably find one pretty easily in the south tbh

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u/thekillerclows Jan 25 '23

You've obviously never heard of the Westboro Baptist Church.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23 edited 27d ago

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u/thekillerclows Jan 25 '23

No there's a lot more than that it's just only a percentage of them are willing to show up to they're fucked up protest and expose their face.

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u/sovthofheaven Jan 25 '23

The most absolute extreme example lol

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u/thekillerclows Jan 25 '23

No there are plenty that are way worse than them.

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u/peepopowitz67 Jan 25 '23

I guess, on paper at least, Buddhists are pretty cool....

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u/Doorooroo0 Jan 25 '23

Sure thing, go ask the bearded man to forgive me than.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23 edited 27d ago

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u/Doorooroo0 Jan 25 '23

Tell me one major religion that doesn't consider women inferior to men then.

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u/ravynnsinister Jan 25 '23

I would say Wicca, like mentioned above, but I don’t think it’s considered a major religion.

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u/Haha1867hoser420 Jan 25 '23

Buddhism

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u/Doorooroo0 Jan 25 '23

I don't think you know enough about Buddhism to have a meaningful conversation about this.

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u/paragonofcynicism Jan 25 '23

Those women seemed like they were pretty keen on the religion that was supposedly "demoralizing" them. Maybe instead of only caring about the parts of the religion that are tough on women we should care about a more holistic criticism because I assure you the shit you call "demoralizing women" isn't the worst of it.

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u/abuomak Jan 25 '23

The woman in that video did not lol

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u/TheGuyWithTheSign Jan 25 '23

You mean Christianity?

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u/MajesticOutcome Feb 01 '23

Not just a book to them, but you know that already. They shouldn’t have done what they did. But this guy Rasmus Paladus is a known racist and far right extremist…he’s burning Qurans to create outrage and seems to be achieving his goal.

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u/91singletrack Jan 25 '23

Let the Muslim people come, not the Muslim extremists

How do you tell the difference? A questionnaire?

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u/Deathlisted Jan 25 '23

Burning the Quran and looking at the reaction

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u/RichMill32 Jan 25 '23

I think it’s called the LITmus….lim test

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u/FatSpace Jan 29 '23

ah, the shopping cart test

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u/boogerfrog Feb 10 '23

So committing a hate crime and seeing who reacts to it? Get fuckin real dude. Just say you hate Muslims… it’s obvious

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '23

If someone murders you because of your religion, then that's a hate crime. The perpetrator deserves up to live imprisonment for hate motivated first degree murder, as opposed to other murders because of a risk of the recidivism. If someone demonstrates you a video of Harry Potter's book burning and you get mad, then you are the problem

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u/Basedadamo Jan 25 '23

Maybe they shouldn’t come to his country abd think they can behave like this, then

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u/Basedadamo Jan 25 '23

No, actually. I don’t see any native Scandinavians flipping cars for burning the Quran. Nor do I see native Scandinavians forming rape gangs. Nice try tho

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u/Basedadamo Jan 25 '23

A single insane man bombing people doesn’t really equate to a large number or rape gangs and religious zealots for a decade now. Also these people are doing much of it in the name of Islam or Muslim supremacy.

Kinda ironic you have to link to a singular event from over a decade ago and then claim that I will only see what I want to see. I wonder if it’s lost on you.

Not to mention he did it in response to these things (I’m not justifying it, horrifying act)

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u/meeee Jan 25 '23

I’m actually thinking that would work for a large percentage of extremists, yeah.

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u/91singletrack Jan 26 '23

You know you might be correct. They certainly aren't the brightest folks.

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u/TheAlexDumas Jan 25 '23

Lying is a religious duty when it's to 'infidels.'

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u/Vert-o Jan 25 '23

You're seriously unhinged if you believe that muslims lie to "infidels" to make themselves look good while plotting against non believers.

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u/91singletrack Jan 26 '23 edited Jan 26 '23

Unhinged? Do you know anything about history? Even recent history? Look up the 9/11 hijackers and see what lengths they went to in that regard so that they could carry out their attack.

I mean, lying in order to fit in is exactly what extremists muslims are prone to do. You'd literally have a more sound and reasonable argument if you claimed that the US "deserved" what happened on 9/11.

Edit: Meaning I am actually willing to entertain the argument that the US deserved it after all the bullshit we've pulled over the decades. But claiming that extremists muslims don't lie to appear as something they're not while plotting attacks is not just factually incorrect, it's patently absurd. That's exactly what they do.

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u/ravynnsinister Jan 25 '23

You see a woman in public without a male escort and no head covering. What do you do?

A) You don’t even notice because you’re too busy minding your own business.

B) You pick up a couple of pebbles and throw them at her, while yelling disparaging comments

C) Kill her. And kill any Americans standing around just for shits and gigs

D) B and C

An example of the questionnaire

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u/CporCv Jan 25 '23

"Were happy to offer the job of immigration survey specialist to ravynnsinister" - Norwegian Directorate of immigrantion

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u/Thrud_The_Barbarian Jan 25 '23

You can't, so a good government would choose to err on the side of protecting their own citizens and not let either come.

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u/Suitable-Mountain-81 Jan 25 '23

This "governments protecting their citizens" business. Where are you getting these ideas?

/s

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u/Suitable-Mountain-81 Jan 25 '23

Q.666 somebody has burned a book in protest. What do you do? A. Flip their car B. Flip their car with the help of your car C. Walk away D. Think, "I shouldn't have entered this country".

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u/mewthulhu Jan 25 '23 • Gold

I'm liberal. Firmly. And many in my country have a huge thing of stop the boats, no refugees, and I disagree.

No, don't stop the boats. Fuck it, we all came here via boats. But for fuck's sake just goddamn coexist. You have no fucking right to bring your fucking bullshit to my country. This isn't just Muslim Extremism, we get Evangelical nutjob Americans come here too and they're unwelcome too. Leave it at the fuckin' door when you come into a multicultural society.

If paper being burned gives you the right, in your mind, to kill a person, then I think it's time to deport your ass to a country where that actually is the law. There's plenty! If you don't like someone's liberty to do that with property they've bought, then that's fine, but you're not compatible. If that's a bible, a quaran, or you're an incel libertarian screeching about someone burning Atlas Shrugged, I don't give a fuck; you're not a viable member of modern society.

People should be free to leave hellhole countries as they please, escape it, but you leave the fucking hell behind, you can't just go to a place where the grass is greener and then start pouring gasoline all over it.

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

But what if pouring gasoline is the average? Or close to?

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u/Prestigious-Weird-33 Jan 25 '23

Various polls have been done, depending in the exact questions and variable honesty of the answer (Islam directly encourages Muslims to lie and deceive non Muslims, see etc.) ... Roughly ¾ 9f Muslims in Europe want to see Sharia Law, read up about exactly what that means, and you understand that we have a problem with 75% of Muslims, they are either extremists, or actively sympathetic to large parts of the Wahabbi/Salafist extremists, and they are constantly under pressure to become more fanatical, by the fanatics

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u/Final-Illustrator402 Jan 25 '23

I see this all the time and as a Muslim it always makes me laugh.

Do you honestly think we are taught to lie to non Muslims? I know you are going to link the hadith where it says we can lie to non Muslims in certain situations, but do you genuinely believe we are taught to do it? We go to mosque and have lessons on lying to non believers?

I encourage you to find and attend your local mosque, I promise you we are not actively sympathetic to extremists and you might learn that we are generally taught to love and be kind.

You get the crazies in every religion and non religion.

The only place i could find that 75% figure you quoted was from Tunisia (which is Africa, not Europe), do you have a source for that?

If you want to burn a Qur'an that's cool, it's your book and it's you specifically going out to insult and hurt someone and there religion, it makes me wonder who the fanatic is...

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u/DietCokeAndProtein Jan 25 '23

You get the crazies in every religion and non religion.

Except your religion can be used to justify the crazies. Religion that involves worshipping a God can justify practically anything in the name of that God, because you're following your interpretation of what an all powerful God wants.

With non-religion, yeah, you can get crazies, but there is literally no stronger reason to do or believe something than when it's because that's what a literal God wants.

The problem is religion. Religion is a bunch of nonsense written by uneducated men to explain shit that they weren't smart enough to explain at the time, and to control people. It's not real.

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u/Final-Illustrator402 Jan 25 '23

People don't just use religion to justify there bad acts. Look at all the mass shootings in America and how very few of those are done due to religious reasons. People with I'll intent will find something to justify there actions, including religion.

You are welcome to your belief about religion, even if a little patronising.

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u/Final-Illustrator402 Jan 25 '23

People don't just use religion to justify there bad acts. Look at all the mass shootings in America and how very few of those are done due to religious reasons. People with I'll intent will find something to justify there actions, including religion.

You are welcome to your belief about religion, even if a little patronising.

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u/captainpuma Jan 25 '23

How would you know the difference?

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u/osmlol Jan 25 '23

Burn a book in front of them apparently.

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u/captainpuma Jan 25 '23

Sounds expensive!

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u/really_nice_guy_ Jan 25 '23

No they give them out for free

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u/solid_hoist Jan 25 '23

You line them all up and get rid of the people at both extremes, duh.

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u/Ruthrfurd-the-stoned Jan 25 '23

Careful, you want the mean religious people but this method puts you at risk of getting the median!

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u/IAMTHATGUY03 Jan 25 '23

Burn the Quran in front of them, duh.

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u/Gloria_Stits Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Why would you let them in before you could figure it out?

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u/Antiqas86 Jan 25 '23

You wouldn't. Yep. We all know it.

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u/Slendercan Jan 25 '23

He seems to be a bit more extreme himself than what you’re letting on.

“The enemy is Islam and Muslims. The best thing would be if there were not a single Muslim left on this earth. Then we would have reached our final goal." this quote seems particularly concerning and inciting.

The bit about him being initially popular with teenage boys on social media, before springing into a larger following, screams of an Andrew Tate type of situation, just with the focus on Islam rather than women.

There is plenty of moderate discussion on immigration occurring with individuals and organisations. This guy seems at best a grifter and at worst an extremist, who would most likely do a lot of damage if given the keys to the kingdom.

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u/lemswen Jan 25 '23

What is absurd to me is we can shit on Christianity until the cows come home, but the second people points out flaws in Islam they are just racist xenophobic people, and sure burning the Quran is a shitty thing to do but what the fuck?? You are gonna attempt to MURDER someone over your fucking book?

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u/IamScottGable Jan 25 '23

If you ran around burning bibles in almost any Midwesterner America state I promise you someone would flip out like this. Probably shoot you before the car was involved

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u/DependUponMe Jan 25 '23

I don't want evangelist wackos coming to Europe either, America can keep em

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u/x_x_x_x_x Jan 25 '23

Bibles and American flags are quite often burned in the USA as a form of protest.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/portland-protesters-burn-bibles/

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u/IamScottGable Jan 25 '23

Yeah the examples in thuis article don't match what is happening in this video AND Portland is far from being a Midwestern state. There's a reason america is coasts v inland

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

As long as it was your bible you would just get told you need jesus.

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u/ralphvonwauwau Jan 25 '23

“Islam cannot be either ‘moderate’ or ‘not moderate.’ Islam can only be one thing,” - Erdoğan

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u/Caveman108 Jan 25 '23

Can you have one without the other? Something about Islam seems to foment extremists. Not to say there’s not extremists of other religions, just that Muslim ones seem to be more prevalent

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u/poppin_pandos Jan 25 '23

There’s no difference

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u/DependUponMe Jan 25 '23

There is, but unfortunately a notable percentage of Muslim people are extremists due to the nature of the religion

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u/IWantAnAffliction Jan 25 '23

reddit moment

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u/bedroombadass Jan 25 '23

They’re one and the same

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

If only there was socioeconomic factors as to why there is a need for migration. If only instead of looking at victims of economic violence as our enemies, we accept that the owners of our planet, the wealthy, want us to turn on our neighbour to protect their interests.

In the U.S. you are more likely to die from furniture related falls than you are from terrorism and the majority of terrorism is committed by White Far Right psychos.

He's exposing nothing. He's turning his neighbours into a scapegoat for economic violence and alienation we are victim to under capitalism.

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u/Dawanna Jan 25 '23

You think the Europeans would've learned from the US. Look what happened when we had muslim extremist come to our country. They basically made 9/11 a national holiday / day of mourning. Anyone whose okay with killing themselves to kill others are insane

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u/mavthemarxist Jan 25 '23

Talking about extremism, 10-15% of all active us millitary personal have an arrest for a felony, part of a criminal gang or extremist poltical beliefs.

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u/KeepMyEmployerAway Jan 25 '23

I wouldn't say "exposing" lmfao. It's all the western world can talk about since the early 90s when it comes to Islam. Completely ignoring the fact that conservatism runs rampant in the western world with its own extremists as well. Or the fact that Muslim extremism originated from western insular influences. Just look at Iran pre-revolution.

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u/Its-AIiens Jan 25 '23

Muslim extremism originated from western insular

You guys just make up whatever bullshit you want now

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u/KeepMyEmployerAway Jan 25 '23

Your "feelings" on the matter won't change facts. Quit being a snowflake and understand history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

Colonialism wasn't the only reason but was in fact a major reason for many extremist policies regarding hate towards minor groups, such as transphobia and homophobia.

"The Muslim world was also influenced by the sexual notions and restrictive norms prevalent in Europe at the time, and today, a number of Muslim-majority countries retain the criminal penalties for homosexual acts first enacted under European colonial rule."

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/06/06/how-homosexuality-became-a-crime-in-the-middle-east

"IN THE 13th and 14th centuries two celebrated male poets wrote about men in affectionate, even amorous, terms. [...] Homoerotic poetry was widely considered part of a “refined sensibility”, he says."

"The modern Middle East views the subject very differently [...] The change can be traced to two factors. The first is the influence, directly or indirectly, of European powers in the region [...] Second, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in the 1980s coincided with that of the gay-rights movement in America and Europe, hardening cultural differences. Once homosexuality had become associated with the West, politicians were able to manipulate anti-LGBT feelings for their personal gain. Last year Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, an Islamist political group based in Lebanon, accused the West of exporting homosexuality to the Islamic world, echoing Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei’s warning a year before of “ravaging moral decay” from the West."

The irony of the second reason being that Islam was originally far more accepting of same sex relationships than Christianity and the Western world.

Like I said. Look at Iran in the 70s, pre revolution.

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u/Its-AIiens Jan 25 '23

Yea I didn't read that lol, you're full of shit your point is idiotic.

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u/KeepMyEmployerAway Jan 25 '23

Snowflake lol

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u/BungieJump101 Jan 25 '23

It’s not extreme, there are few explicitly unforgivable acts and this guy did one of them. Otherwise no one would look twice at this guy.

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u/heavymcd Jan 25 '23

Trying to murder somebody for burning a book is extreme, I don’t care what the god you believe in says.

Any person who would respond this way, would try to impose their religious beliefs on others with violence, is wholly incompatible with a free society.

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u/BungieJump101 Jan 25 '23

Don’t over exaggerate, she wanted to flip his car and so she did, that there were other people nearby that could have potentially been hurt was an oversight however.

They shouldn’t have imposed their anti-religious sentiments in such a barbaric way either. But due to his clearly simple mind,this is all he can do. Also the wests idea of freedom is overrated (imo), freedom of speech is cool and should be considered but ultimately its is an act of violence and so wouldn’t fall under it.

In the end, he knew exactly what he was doing and desired certain consequences that were then given to him, he should be thankful

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u/heavymcd Jan 25 '23

Also the wests idea of freedom is overrated (imo), freedom of speech is cool and should be considered but ultimately its is an act of violence and so wouldn’t fall under it.

This thinking is incompatible with western civilization in the year 2023.

Fuck off to Afghanistan with your nonsense. You’ll never see a Quran burned there.

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u/DependUponMe Jan 25 '23

Found the Muslim extremist

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u/Gostem2 Jan 25 '23

“Simple mind” says the Muslim extremist who believes you have the right to hurt someone else because they burned a “magic book”. It does absolutely nothing to you, learn to drop your ego.

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u/riskbreaker23 Jan 25 '23

Dude imagine burning the sorcerer's stone and getting your car flipped by Harry Potter nerds.

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u/MistaStrange300 Jan 25 '23

Fuck Mohammed

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u/PersonMan0326 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Brother, flipping someone's car, while they are inside of it and driving, is attempted murder. Hurting other people is bad, yes, exacting vigilante revenge against a person for burning a book is not it. You're significantly downplaying what happened here.

Their "barbaric" anti-religious beliefs don't cause physical harm to other people. This isn't an "act of violence" because literally 0 people are injured by it physically. If you want to claim emotional injury, fine, take it to civil court then, you don't chase people down and try to kill them for offending you in civilized society.

He did know what he was doing: 0 physical damage to anything except his own property. Those Muslim women knew what they were doing too: exacting vigilante justice in a society that criminalizes it. They either don't belong in this society, or they need to learn vigilantism is illegal. But making excuses for this kind of behavior is honestly gross.

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u/bottledry Jan 25 '23

But due to his clearly simple mind

oh ya he's clearly the simpleminded one here /s

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u/Comment104 Jan 25 '23

Fuck off to year 1000 you goddamn caveman.

You don't belong in a world with electricity and modern medicine.

Next time you get deathly sick: Pray. Then die.

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u/MackenziePace Jan 25 '23

Yes burning a book about a 9 year old marrying an old man is such violence

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u/call_me_Kote Jan 25 '23

So then don’t come to the west.

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u/DependUponMe Jan 25 '23

Lmao that's exactly what makes them extremists

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u/BungieJump101 Jan 25 '23

And so is that guy lol, two extremes in one place is no good

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u/DependUponMe Jan 25 '23

You consider burning a book and flipping someone's car equal?

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

I’d rather have him around then literal insane people

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u/call_me_Kote Jan 25 '23

That’s cool for you, don’t burn a Quran. For anyone else who isn’t a follower, they can make a bonfire of Qurans and later on top effigies of Muhammad. Cry about it.

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

Nah, this is definitely extreme. Not sure what the fuck you are smoking.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '23

There aren't many of the former hidden among the latter.

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u/enguerrand64 Jan 25 '23

How would you tell apart extremist from non-extremists?

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u/Sleepycharliemanson Jan 25 '23

Given how insane the countries they come from are, they pretty much are all extremists at this point.

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u/fooliam Jan 25 '23

Let the Muslim people come, not the Muslim extremists

tomato, tomato.

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u/artthoumadbrother Jan 26 '23

I don't think you're getting it. By Western standards the average Middle Eastern Muslim is an extremist. It isn't like Europe or the US where there's one fundie nutjob for every 10 secular Christians. In the ME, nobody is really secular. Most of the population believes in standard Sharia claptrap like executing apostates, blasphemers, and homosexuals. They don't change their minds about that when they emigrate to the West and expecting that they will is insane. If you don't want more of the violent behavior seen in the OP's video....enact stricter immigration controls. They don't respect your culture and will have no problem using whatever means are at their disposal to change laws and standards of behavior. That includes intimidation and violence.

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u/cc-test Jan 26 '23

He's also a Neo Nazi iirc, so I'm sure he's full of other great ideas as well /s

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u/red_rocket_boy Jan 26 '23

not the Muslim extremists

You mean the devout Muslims? How often does one hear the phrase 'Christian or Jewish extremists'?

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u/Superfatbear Jan 25 '23

Well no shit. Burning a book vs flipping a car with hundreds of other motorists.

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u/TempestLock Jan 25 '23

For good reason too. One is a danger to life, not just of those involved but others as well. The other is a man burning his own property.

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u/ChinesePropagandaBot Jan 25 '23

Well, they're not wrong.

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u/orthodoxcarl Jan 25 '23

And he isn't wrong.

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u/jonasnee Jan 25 '23

pointing out there is a problem doesnt mean the problem didnt exist before.

we have freedom of speech, we dont live in the 1500s anymore. just because someone is an idiot does not justify violence against them.

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u/Can_Of_Beans53 Jan 25 '23

*People are thinking

FTFY, it's not very hard to put 2 and 2 together. Imagine coming to a country and then attacking it's inhabitants for offending *you*. Fucking insane. Yes, I know the Quran means an incredible amount to Muslims, but still, insane behavior. And if burning the Quran was the threshold to provoke this type of behavior, I could somewhat understand it, but winning matches at the football world championship gets some people rioting already.

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u/Comment104 Jan 25 '23 edited Jan 25 '23

Of course you wouldn't want him as a leader. But that doesn't mean his stunts prove nothing. His stunts do prove that religious people are sensitive and easily get violent.

But his stunts proving that don't mean that his stunts prove any of the other beliefs he has. r/exmuslim are nothing like this. It's not an ethnicity, it's an ideology. He may be putting far more stake in nature than nurture, but anyone sensible knows ethnicity isn't a guaranteed indicator for anything important.

This guy might be a good example of a broken clock being right twice a day.

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u/toastycraps Jan 25 '23

That’s not how you become a leader here. He is a racist cunt that goes around to provoke, yes we had demonstrations here too in the start but they quickly realized that’s what he want so he moved to Sweden to start the same shit since he is dual citizen.

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u/Comment104 Jan 25 '23

That’s not how you become a leader here.

Something about you opening with this tells me you read nothing and just started writing.

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u/toastycraps Jan 25 '23

You don’t mention anything else about that other than the start, I just corrected you. So you can clearly not handle not being right since you have to point that out huh.

But to get to the point, yes burning cars and trashing the streets because som dumb fuck burns your holy book is not okay. Never said other wise! I concentrated on him since I have been to one of his burnings. He is a dumb racist count! That’s the fucking point of my comment! Just because I don’t mention the rest does not mean I fucking agree that’s right! Fucking hell!

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u/Comment104 Jan 25 '23

Hothead.

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u/toastycraps Jan 25 '23

Funny. So bad there is no where to report a missing brain

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u/Comment104 Jan 25 '23

But really, go outside and make yourself a hat from the snow. Cool down a bit. Maybe do like an ostrich, it would look funny.

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u/toastycraps Jan 25 '23

So stand up and dance? If you think about the head in the ground that’s fake and you clearly don’t have a brain.

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u/phlogistonical Jan 25 '23

People are dismissing/excusing this kind of aggressive behaviour way too easily by saying it is 'provoked'. Even when religious extremists went about slaughtering a newspaper office in France, some people were saying they shouldn't have been drawing those cartoons because it is 'provocation'.

This kind of medieval violence against everyone that doesn't have your beliefs should not be excused or tolerated, and it's crazy people are even suggesting it. If you don't agree with someone, go to court, don't flip their car.

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

Problem with fascism is it's provides easy answers to complex social systems and then claims to have a solution.

This type of behavior is otherizing minorities, threatening their identity and generally scummy as fuck. But they are doing it to reaffirm bias and perpetuate an otherizing of people in their own community. It's insidious and even if the action itself in isolation isn't violent, fascism is. Fascist behavior is. Fascists do not deserve any sympathy.

They aren't doing it in good faith, they are nazi bastards doing it to promote their nazi bastard idealogy. I have no quarrels with the retaliation, my only complaint is I wish a white guy did it so they didn't have any racist argument to perpetuate.

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u/TheManWithNoNameZapp Jan 25 '23

This is asinine. Even if he walked up and punched them in the face this reaction is entirely out of proportion. The risk they put other motorists in is beyond redemption

Now consider that the provocation was a symbolic albeit tasteless gesture and it’s even worse. That might have been okay where they’re from, but it is not acceptable where they are and that’s on them

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

Don't agree.

All fascists deserve nothing less than this.

Sure, being reckless isn't great. But the guy isn't doing anything "symbolic", he's promoting his hateful ultranationalist ideology, a hateful ultranationalist ideology that I don't need to explain why is in an of itself, violent.

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u/TheManWithNoNameZapp Jan 25 '23

Burning a book is symbolic. He’s causing no direct harm to these people. He’s just doing something they don’t like and they use their religion as a justification for actual violence. They have committed and crime (numerous most likely) and he has not

In this video he sets out to show they’ll use religious justifications to commit violence and.. they prove him right. Even if he’s a huge POS in his daily life and everything else he does he makes his point here. In this video he isn’t committing any fascism. That’s been diluted to a buzzword because of usage like yours

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

Calling this guy a fascist neo nazi is goina need some evidence.

Burning a book ain’t it.

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u/LewixAri Jan 25 '23

First of all - burning a book should be it. The fact it isn't a massive red flag says a lot. Book burning is very much a Nazi thing.

Secondly, Lars Thorsen is literally a far-right ultranationalist. Like he is openly xenophobic and this is antagonizing that to perpetuate xenophobic ideas.

The fact it isn't clear as day to you is honestly comedic because either you're fascist-sympathetic and turning a blind-eye or you're just not paying attention.

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u/-Moonscape- Jan 25 '23

Books have been burnt for all sorts of reasons, and is an irrelevant point.

If he is who you say he is you should have led with that from the start, instead of pontificating about nonsense and trying to mock me for not recognizing some fuck head recording in FPV.

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u/langsley757 Jan 25 '23

Dude's username is literally kosher nazi, i think he knows that.

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u/Agurk Jan 25 '23

And rightly so.

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u/reed45678 Jan 28 '23

Can you blame them? This shit is crazy bro all he did was burn some paper