r/PublicFreakout • u/ImYourRealDadHey • Jan 24 '23

2 lady’s flipping a guys car after he burnt the Quran Repost 😔

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u/Biggie-Cheese6969 Jan 25 '23

I could be wrong or misremembering so feel free to correct me if thats the case but dont a lot of people in scandanavia hate the immigrants that are taken in as since they started taking them in rape crime statistics skyrocketed to their highest ever alongside other violent crimes of similar nature?

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u/endorphin-neuron Jan 25 '23

Sweden also took in a fucking crazy amount of them. Like, comparing per-capita intake to Germany, Sweden took in like 3-4x more than Germany.

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u/Funkiebastard Jan 25 '23

Not expected to replace the culture, never replace culture. But integrate into society yes. If you have other traditions, no one wil force you to change. Had a kid in my class back in 4-6 grade that was muslim and he was excused from all Christmas related things and anything involving the church. Nothing wrong with that and it was respected.

However the issue is many have loved here for a long time and still haven't learned swedish. They have not integrated into society. There aren't any ghettos here but yes, areas more dense in immigrants. Issue is, as Sweden was one of the few countries who actually took in people during crisis, we took in more than we could handle.

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u/Stalysfa Jan 26 '23

You know what the worst part is? We’ve known this problem ever since the fucking Roman times.

They had a handbook about how to handle migrations. You accept their demand to come. You meet them with a huge force, you disarm them and then split them up everywhere in the empire.

They stopped doing it with the goth and it led to the disaster we later all know about Rome. When you accept large numbers of migrants, you break up the group and spread them everywhere.

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u/aBlissfulDaze Jan 25 '23

Ah so they made ghettos and ghettos do what they've always done.

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u/ImMellow420 Jan 26 '23

This is highly simplified. Even when 'done correctly' a large amount don't want to assimilate or integrate into society, which is a bad thing, cause societies aren't really meant to be split like that.

Mutlicultural society? Sure, that could work. Split groups society? No. That never works.

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u/probiscius Jan 29 '23

The majority of Mandaeans, Assyrian Christians and Yezidis from Iraq in Sweden don't commit rampant crimes. It has nothing to do with living with their own kind.

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u/Quiet_Stabby_Person Jan 25 '23

Because they’re racist NIMBYs. As expected from a racially homogenous country.

“We’ll take in these Muslims because we’re so progressive but WE don’t want them living near US”

And what do you know the ghettos turned out shitty people

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u/krickiank Jan 25 '23

Exactly how are the immigrants stopped from living among the white Swedes?

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u/Quiet_Stabby_Person Jan 25 '23

Because they’re only given housing separate from the white Swedes which turns into ghettos

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u/krickiank Jan 25 '23

How are immigrants given housing? Do you think the Swedish government give immigrants apartments or tell immigrants where they must live?

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u/ImMellow420 Jan 26 '23

Yeah, what demonic government would give people free housing and other benefits?

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u/Quiet_Stabby_Person Jan 26 '23

Yeah public housing is definitely never unsafe or leads to ghettos

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

Yes that's correct, hate might be a strong word but a lot of people do blame them for the recent gang problems and rape statistics. To the point where they can't include the race of criminals in court documents because people use it to justify their racism.

It's almost 50/50 politically in Sweden between people for and against immigration.

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u/liltwizzle Jan 25 '23

So quite clearly it's a Muslim problem yet you still say they are racist crazy

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

Well if they use the race of a person stated I nthe court documents to push their ideas then that's quite obviously racism, even if it's connected to their religion race is also a factor in this prosecution

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u/liltwizzle Jan 25 '23

Except the issue quite clearly stems from them it'd not racist to point that out or hate them for it

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u/Binke-kan-flyga Jan 25 '23

It does become racism when they push this idea to the point where they say "all syrians/pakistani/immigrants need to be deported" which is the point its reached in many parts of the country

Not everyone causes problems, most don't

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u/liltwizzle Jan 25 '23

So how else do you combat this issue? Thr easiest way is getting rid of them

Not everyone I agree but sure as hell enough

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u/TheSmokingLamp Jan 25 '23

My assumption is any who were born in Sweden after their parents generation arrived now have citizenship and can’t be deported

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u/liltwizzle Jan 26 '23

Most likely however I believe that should be changed when they refuse to melt into the culture of the country they fled to for prosperity and prefer to stick to old country beliefs

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u/TheSmokingLamp Jan 26 '23

Not that I disagree but that’s a slippery slope to strip citizenship and deport for not assimilating into the local culture. Would be pretty hard to define and possibly easy to abuse.

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u/krickiank Jan 25 '23

Who are you quoting?

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u/skumkotlett Jan 26 '23

Why the fuck would we include their race in court documents lmao.

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u/fooliam Jan 25 '23

rape, sexual assault, violent crime, petty theft...yep those all dramatically increased.

ANd that's not taking into account things like "Muslim patrols", where groups of Islamist men go around threatening , sometimes even violently attacking them, for violating their religious dogma regarding modesty and behavior in public.

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u/ballsackcancer Jan 25 '23

Clearly these women are very nonviolent and reasonable.

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u/WorldNetizenZero Jan 25 '23

be wrong or misremembering so feel free to correct me if thats the case

rape crime statistics skyrocketed

Sweden has had reforms of sexual assault laws during 2000s and 2010s. This causes a massive disparity in Nordic statistics, as what wouldn't qualify as an sexual assault, or even at extremes sexual harassment, is considered rape in Sweden.

Additionally Swedish law counts each act seperate and statistics collect info on charges, not convictions. This leads to a situation where a failed charge of a partner raping the other every day for a year to be marked as 0 rapes in Finnish statistics, yet in Sweden it's counted as 365. As far as I understand the Finnish model is the case with Denmark and Norway too.

It can get even weirder, as in UK's case if the partner above was a woman, she couldn't be charged for rape anyway. UK law requires a penis for such an act to be charged.

At least this the case in late 2010s. There is some comparative studies and at least one in English on those statistics. I don't know if or how statistic collection and laws have changed, so this info might be outdated.

But the statistics on Sweden that spread around in 2015-2016 were real, but they were not standardized (measuring the same thing). And 2010s was nothing new, as Sweden has been on top of Council of Europe rape statistic for its entire history. In 1990s rapes increased by ¼ within a year due to a law change. A prime example of lying with statistics.

(My point is not commenting on social or immigration policy, but noting that Swedish statistics are, quite literally, rather special).

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u/Boboar Jan 25 '23

So what counts as a rape in Sweden but not elsewhere? Also your example of the rape stat going up by 25% in the 90s because of a legal change would be a fair indicator that it's the law that changed and not the actual number of rapes occurring, but given that the 90s were as many as 30 years ago this surely is not sufficient reason to discount the rape statistics of the 2010s and beyond, is it?

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u/skumkotlett Jan 26 '23

It’s been changed multiple times

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u/WorldNetizenZero Jan 26 '23

So what counts as a rape in Sweden but not elsewhere?

I already put it in my example: woman forcing sex on a man isn't rape in UK (AFAIK still the case) but it is in all of Nordics. Finland used to have similar law until 1990s. In Finnish law there's rape and forcing another to sexual deed, where e.g. forcing oral would've been not rape. In 2023 a new law came into force that mirrors Swedish total consent.

I was not at any point discounting any statistic, but advocating for standardization. Right now it's hard to do any comparative charts, especially as multiple countries have strong right-to-privacy laws making sourcing all the information impossible for the Average Joe. And it's hard to argue about something one does not know.

it's the law that changed and not the actual number of rapes occurring

This is the point of my post. Official statistics are good at mirroring internal situation, but not comparatively between countries. Even then there's the case whatever they are actually being reported on not, causing more reporting to "show" more rapes country A even if it's actually happening less than in country X.

Swedish rape booms are usually due to changes to law and also why it is so high in European charts. This is not limited to 1990s, but a trend through the last three decades of Sweden tightening the law to apply more broadly than any other country. 2018 total consent reform bumped convictions by 75%. If you look at comparative studies, Sweden is still the highest of Nordics - but nowhere near as in un-standardized statistics.

Which leads to a comical cycle of Internet discussion: Sweden tightens the law, statistics jump up, people get mad about statistics and demand more punishments, Sweden tightens the law, statistics jump up...

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u/Boboar Jan 26 '23

You gave one example which was women forcing swx on men counting as rape. That is something that is very rarely reported or prosecuted and I cannot fathom the rape statistics moving more than a tiny fraction with such a change. Are there any other cases you can point to which would lead to a meaningful increase in the statistics which do not suggest and actual increase in male on female rape which would be considered rape in other European countries? It sounds like you're reaching with your reasoning.