r/blackmagicfuckery
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u/3askaryyy
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Feb 06 '23
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Shuffling a deck of cards back to their original order
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u/Tairran Feb 06 '23
The subtle ‘your mom’ joke was almost as smooth as the trick itself.
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u/Gnostromo Feb 06 '23
But he was referencing your mom not my mom
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u/Sonderia42 Feb 06 '23
Our mom*
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u/Gnostromo Feb 06 '23
Exactly! you and Tairran's mom
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u/StoopidestManOnEarth Feb 07 '23
Gnostromo, it's your mother. Stop making so much ruckus so I can get back to sleeping with random redditors in peace.
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u/ih8spalling Feb 07 '23
It's to distract you while he's un-randomizing the deck in front of your eyes
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u/hacksoncode Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Best guess:
A Faro shuffle is a way to look like you're really shuffling a deck while completely controlling a perfect interleaving of the cards so you can return it to the previous state after several of them.
Before the trick he does a couple Faro shuffles on a sorted deck so the deck looks kind of random, but actually has a well defined pattern in it. Edit: though he doesn't need to actually execute perfect Faros for those, but just arrange the deck that way by any means.
If you look at 0:02, you can see that the first "shuffle" was not a shuffle at all, but merely a cut into 3 parts that looked like shuffle. It's harder to see the same dodge at 0:07, but it's there. Edit: this may be a form of what is somewhat confusingly known as a Zarrow shuffle, but it looks different to me.
The re-sorting he does from 0:20-0:35 just undoes those cuts so he's back to the initial state of the deck, which he memorized well enough to find the locations of the cuts.
The "shuffles" after that are more perfect Faro shuffles, that controllably return the deck to the unshuffled state.
The cuts are fake and don't change the order.
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u/alessandrolaera Feb 06 '23
Yea i think this is it, there is no other explanation I can think of. I remember seeing a similar trick where all the magician was doing is shuffling cards and it has to be a Faro shuffle. There is no other explanation, unless the cards are tricked somehow... this is incredibly impressive, it takes a lot of skill to pull off a perfect Faro shuffle multiple times
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u/hacksoncode Feb 06 '23
it takes a lot of skill to pull off a perfect Faro shuffle multiple times
It's a fairly common card magician skill... but I'll add this:
We have no idea how many times he recorded this video before getting it right.
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u/alessandrolaera Feb 06 '23
it's really not that common. Shawn Farquhar was the world champion of card magic or smth and even he admitted he couldn't do a perfect Faro shuffle. And the trick I was referring before, where I'm pretty sure a perfect Faro is somehow involved, was on sale with a big warning that said "this is actually a very difficult trick to execute so don't buy it if you're not very good with sleight of hand". About this dude, though, sure... making magic in front of a camera is different than a real stage. Although it's easier to spot mistakes as well. We don't know if this guy has a play and does this trick live
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u/roideschinois Feb 07 '23
1 faro shuffle is easy
1 perfect shuffle is much harder
8 in a row is quite hard, but with as many takes as you want, its not too bad
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u/AstroStrat89 Feb 07 '23
This is pretty much it. I learned to Faro just enough to do it smoothly with a good deck of cards to combat hand fatigue typing on a keyboard all day. You have to consistently cut the deck exactly in half, always start a particular stack as the first card, and each side has to alternate. I think it was 8 times and the deck would be as it was before you started.
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u/Funny247365 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
*** Spoiler ***
The Faro Shuffle is the key. If you take a deck in perfect order (with no Jokers or marketing cards) and execute 8 Faro Shuffles, the deck will be back in perfect order. In this case, he had already shuffled the deck 5 times before we started seeing the trick, so it looked pretty mixed up, and he just showed us the last 3 shuffles needed to get back to perfect order. He's not really putting all the Aces in order then the suits then the numerical order. The chatter works to tell the story and get the viewer to believe it happened. The hardest part is dividing the deck into exactly equal sizes for each shuffle and then executing the shuffle perfectly. The final set of cuts were false cuts. It takes practice to do it as slick as this video demonstrates.
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u/breakingb0b Feb 07 '23
You’d be surprised how fast and accurately you can consistently cut with a little practice.
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u/TheOneTrueTrench Feb 07 '23
I used to deal poker, this is extremely true. I could cut at exactly 26 cards consistently if I tried.
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u/jeremyjava Feb 07 '23
Serious question: do casinos call in the guys who can make any card appear when/where they want if a high roller suddenly wants to do huge bets, like million dollar bets? And would the dealer conceivably cheat and pull a winning hand for themselves when they might not have had one otherwise?
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u/TheOneTrueTrench Feb 07 '23
Well, I dealt poker specifically, which is basically PVP, house takes a cut of the buy-in, but doesn't give a damn who wins, and I mostly dealt less-than-entirely-state-sanctioned games, the sort you'd be more likely to find in a warehouse than a casino.
And I mean real poker, not this you vs house shit, that's not poker.
But even in those circumstances, where the house enforces policies with a crowbar instead of calling the pigs, no, you don't fuck with the validity of the game, because people WILL find out and refuse to come play. There's money involved, and people have to know that they're playing a legit game.
It might happen in middle of the range shady but legal establishments, but in both upstanding casinos and break-your-kneecaps venues, they are actively incentivized not to do that, at least for poker.
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u/jeremyjava Feb 07 '23
Thanks for that. If you don't mind, the next serious question would be: why then, if it's on the up-and-up would a casino call in different dealers for the big high stakes bet, or is that just a fabrication in movies and such?
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u/vanhawk28 Feb 07 '23
I would assume strictly professionalism. Kind of like having a high class waiter for fine dining you want the best if you are paying the most for it
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u/TheOneTrueTrench Feb 07 '23
Nah, you don't know what hand is going to be the big one until it's already shuffled. Bringing in someone else to flip the cards is kind of like having your regular bar tender pour and mix the drink, then right before he hands it to you, someone else comes in and picks up the glass and hands it to you.
Not only would it be supremely pointless, it would be incredibly rude. It would just be an insult to the dealer while accepting what they dealt.
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u/LiwetJared Feb 07 '23
I've worked in a few casinos as a poker dealer and every dealer will rotate through the big game, dealing 30 minutes at a time, before the next dealer comes and relieves them. What you see televised are only the interesting hands that might only occur once or twice in a 30 minute period. So if you're watching a televised poker game, it can look like there's a new dealer every other hand or so.
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u/Swiftlettuce Feb 07 '23
So, it's like a Rubik's cube, then?
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u/brown_burrito Feb 07 '23
That’s exactly how I thought about it!
Repeat a series of moves and you’ll return to the original position.
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u/sincle354 Feb 07 '23
For this specific move, yeah. It's a mathematical trick of algorithmic movement. But you better believe it requires a shift of skills from speed to dexterity when you're moving that many cards that accurately. Each one of those shuffles has at least 100 or maybe 1000 attempts in practice to perfectly hone that accuracy. That, and the immaculate deck he's using.
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u/Trolann Feb 07 '23
When memorizing the phone numbers doesn't the bottom the deck end up on top?
Saw in another comment. This was undoing his previous false shuffles. Very nice.
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u/shiddawg Feb 06 '23
This loaded in a weird resolution and I thought Jeff Winger was showing us a card trick for a second.
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u/sweetandsourkitten Feb 06 '23
Same! My partner and I are halfway through my thousandth rewatch and I thought I just had Winger on the brain
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u/Fistina_Aguilera Feb 06 '23
Is he just undoing the shuffles that he did getting to the one he fans out? Watching on mobile, but Q,J,K,5,8,3 are repeatedly next to each other in various spots. He gets an extra "shuffle" when he's "memorizing the cards". Probably checking what order they're in for which undo algorithm he has to do.
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u/LiwetJared Feb 07 '23
You can cut a deck a million times and you'll always be one cut away from the arrangement that the cards were originally cut from. If you shuffle a deck perfectly 8 times in a row, you'll return the cards to their first arrangement. The way this trick was done involved a lot of misdirection, cutting the deck, starting with a suited deck that was shuffled perfectly 5 times, and then shuffling that deck perfectly 3 more times. The laudable part of the act was his presentation and his shuffling the deck perfectly, both of which would take a lot of practice to do well.
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u/agent_00_nothing Feb 06 '23
i perform a lot of sleight of hand magic and I can guarantee that it's not that, the shuffles looked legit, + he only did it in 3 + some cuts
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u/rdrunner_74 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
3 (perfect) riffle shuffles can restore a deck if it is a quite carefully "constructed deck".
I only get like half of mine "perfect" if I try hard (And need to pay much more attention to do so) But I know folks who can do that and his interleaving is perfect when he shows it.
The 1st shuffles before the trick are fake (The very 1st shuffle looks even bad on camera... But thats the only slip i see). They dont disturb his prepped deck. The real trick only starts after the cards are turned over, to prove they are mixed up.
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u/Muroid Feb 06 '23
This is my best guess, as well. There is no way that he actually starts with a randomly shuffled deck, “memorizes” the order and then shuffled them back together in the way that he’s doing it.
I really can’t spot any sleight of hand during the re-ordering of the deck, so if those are all legit shuffles, he has to have started with a carefully constructed order that will end up in the reconstituted deck after a few very well practiced shuffles. (i.e. the talk about arranging the Aces and then Suits and so on is all bullshit, obviously. It just requires three perfect shuffles to get the cards back in order from that starting position).
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u/gundoo_ Feb 06 '23
I noticed he seems to look pretty close at his cut before each shuffle, but whats crazy is after the 3rd shuffle at 1:06 he does a final shuffle/cut thing to mix them up. Whats going on there? Thats where he puts them in final order but it doesn't look like he pays very close attention?!?
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u/gundoo_ Feb 06 '23
Maybe the original deck is in a specific order and not randomly shuffled?
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u/RGBrewskies Feb 07 '23
there are definitely dudes who can cut the deck perfectly in half and then do 3 perfect Faro shuffles.
We have a term for them, even ... 'professional magicians'
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u/TacoBellLavaSauce Feb 07 '23
He actually didn't goof.
The prompt challenged him to organize the deck the same way a brand new deck of cards organizes them.
If you ever open a brand new deck of cards, you'll notice the sequence is A-K, A-K, K-A, K-A, just like how it's shown in the video (now if you ask me why that's the normal order, I have no idea 😂)
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u/silver-orange Feb 07 '23
The first half of the finished desk goes A23456The second half of the finished deck goes KQJT9...
That is what the "new deck order" is for a pack of bicycle cards. (I'd link it, but this subreddit bans links)
- Spades ascending
- Diamonds ascending
- Clubs descending
- Hearts descending
If you open a new pack of bicycle cards, it'll have those 52 cards in exactly the order he demonstrated.
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u/Down_Vote_Nerds Feb 06 '23
Video played backwards
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u/Glaciax0421 Feb 06 '23
it's r/blackmagicfuckery itself that he said all that backwards so it'll sound legit on a backwards play.
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u/leedo8 Feb 06 '23
The only thing I noticed is in the three cuts before the final three shuffles, he's very particular and looks at where he cuts it and then he's very particular, on how he puts them back together. But I still have no idea how we did it, and no matter what the explanation is, its super impressive.
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u/Exciting-Money3819 Feb 06 '23
When cuts the decks those three times, he is checking to see he’s cutting it at a particular card. Could it be the “shuffled” deck is actually just in a very precise order so that when he cuts and reintegrates those 3 times (then does the half and half trick) that’s what puts it back into order?
TL;DR: reverse engineered deck to seem random but precise order based on the next steps?
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u/Nicky2Feet Feb 06 '23
Hotdamn… he’s drinking that Glenmorangie Signet. You can’t help but make magic with that in your glass.
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u/sliderbear Feb 06 '23
Link to oc
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u/pezx Feb 06 '23
Not sure which video but this is his YouTube channel https://youtube.com/@CardMagicByJason
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u/curious_fowl Feb 07 '23
This is so easy to figure out! Just film it a bunch of times until randomly one time it all comes out in order. Duh...
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Feb 07 '23
This was easy. This is how the trick is done. He filmed this 52!^52 times. Eventually he got it in the correct order.
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u/Cerberus73 Feb 07 '23
A perfect faro shuffle (perfect weave maintaining the top card) done eight times will return the deck to its original order.
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u/sommai2555 Feb 07 '23
This one's easy. He just shuffled 52! times until he got the original order.
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u/BoomBoomLaRouge Feb 07 '23
Wouldn't it just be easier to palm the shuffled deck for a hidden brand new deck that's in the original sequence?
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u/Raijin9278 Feb 07 '23
theres this one blind guy that has full control of the cards which is really amazing
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u/mem0125 Feb 07 '23
So if you take any deck new in order you can shuffle them 8 times with perfect shuffles and they will be back in order. The deck is prearranged. Watch the first shuffle it’s a false shuffle. He purposely only puts a few cards on top and hold place with a finger to make the cut back. When he goes through the deck “memorizing” he’s specifically breaking it and placing it in order to where only 3 shuffles are need to re arrange back in order. The last cuts are very skilled but I think he’s picking exactly 13 cards and just arranging suits
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u/CreamyJalapenoSauce Feb 07 '23
Can we make r/whitemagicfuckery and put all the magic there? We can call it something else,I don't care. I feel like r/blackmagicfuckery should focus on things that aren't trying to trick us.
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u/Germs15 Feb 07 '23
Fun fact: if you shuffle a random deck of cards, it is likely the first and only time a deck of cards will be shuffled in that order by any human, ever and forever.
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u/Hazumu2u Feb 07 '23
His name is Jason Ladanye and this is his Instagram page if you want to check him out and I totally recommend you do, he is most certainly the best card magician I’ve ever seen
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u/DaddyRytlock Feb 07 '23
Tamgentially related maths video at about 8 minutes he shows the faro shuffles and how they manipulate the deck.
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u/mosurn Feb 06 '23
The best kind of magic is where you know there’s a trick, but no matter how close you look you can’t figure it out.
Well done, king.