r/formula1 • u/ap17o4 Daniel Ricciardo • Feb 06 '23
Does Logan Sargeant warrant the hate he is receiving Discussion
Ive been seeing a lot of people already showing their dislike for Logan Sargeant. Im not really a fan of his nor i intend to be yet i feel like he is getting way too much hate just for the things he said in the past. Should i be wary of him? Is he a decent human being? His performances in F2 are commendable albeit meh compared to the others who finished above him
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u/AdamovitsM Kevin Magnussen Feb 06 '23
Maybe I’m blind, but I haven’t seen any hate directed at him.
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u/Litmus89 Kevin Magnussen Feb 07 '23
I saw a trend of Redditors constantly bringing up how he and his father/family were Trump supporters and we know how the majority of Reddit feels about him.
Also something about his father's business ethics.
I'll be paying attention to how he acts in relation to Formula 1 and racing.
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u/tokyo_engineer_dad Lola Feb 08 '23 •
I'm a pretty die hard liberal.
I won't be cheering for him to race, despite being American, but I don't hate him.
I think there's way too many pots on the grid for any of us to start pointing out any kettles. The fact is, F1 is and always has been "the good old boys" sport.
Hell, look at the human rights of like 30-40% of the countries that host a race and yet Lewis still suits up and wins there.
I tend to check in my liberal agenda coat at the entrance when I watch F1. I'm still glad Lewis is calling out racism and Vettel is calling out environmentalism, but they wouldn't really be as dedicated as they are to this sport if they cared beyond their tolerance level about either of those things.
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u/JoJo_____ Fernando Alonso Feb 09 '23
F1 fans are silly if they don’t believe the majority of drivers/drivers families don’t support far right politicians.
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u/daaniscool McLaren Feb 07 '23
I have seen quite a few comments that he is most likely to be last in the WDC ranking, but that is no hate.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon Feb 06 '23
Browsing the subreddit, I've seen zero hating on Logan. Compared to last year, when there was a nauseating level of hate on Zhou, which he's proven all the doubters wrong since then.
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u/Stumpy493 Jean Alesi Feb 06 '23
I think this is people presuming Twitter represents the world at large when it just represents the worst of humanity in 1 small place.
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u/Vaexa George Russell Feb 06 '23
Reddit isn't as nice as Redditors like to make themselves believe.
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u/Stumpy493 Jean Alesi Feb 06 '23
Yet it isn't full of Sargent hate. Not being on Twitter I haven't seen any hate against him at all.
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u/Ricciardo_Olsha Feb 07 '23
Here you go, some hate towards Sargeant so you can now stop saying you have ''never seen any hate''.
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u/Vaexa George Russell Feb 06 '23
Sargeant hate is now the new measure of how bad social media is, I suppose.
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u/Stumpy493 Jean Alesi Feb 06 '23
When we are on a thread about hate for Sargent it somehow seems relevant...
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u/Vaexa George Russell Feb 06 '23
I think this is people presuming Twitter represents the world at large when it just represents the worst of humanity in 1 small place.
This seems like an awfully generalised statement on a social media platform for a focused Sargeant thread.
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u/TheEpicGold Sergio Pérez Feb 06 '23
But it is way better than twitter. Look at a twitter post and compare it to reddit comments. It is so bad there.
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u/Rivendel93 Chequered Flag Feb 06 '23
Yeah, it's not like we think reddit is perfect, but Twitter is a total disaster, where I would never comment due to the fact that anything I say will get torn to shreds by nutcases.
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u/notCarlosSainz Carlos Sainz Feb 07 '23
It is bad here too but we have mods deleting things before you see them and reddit by default pushes anything downvoted out of your sight.
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u/Vaexa George Russell Feb 06 '23
I vastly prefer twitter's warzone over Reddit's tendency to attract people who think they're really, really smart.
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u/FlyingKittyCate Fernando Alonso Feb 07 '23
Yeah, well, maybe your IQ just isn’t high enough for Reddit!
/s
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u/Ricciardo_Olsha Feb 07 '23
Being better than one of the worst places =/= being good. There's a culture of hating people here, but only certain ones. There's even rules set that you can hate a certain person but can't defend them in any way, no matter the lies used to hate that person.
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u/Bucinela Michael Schumacher Feb 06 '23
As a person who doesn't use twitter i was totally unaware of any sort of hate towards him ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
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u/TommyGames36 Sebastian Vettel Feb 06 '23
"Twitter" is basically just what people say when they need a strawman to make theit opinion seem more valid.
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u/116YearsWar McLaren Feb 06 '23
Browsing the subreddit, I've seen zero hating on Logan. Compared to last year, when there was a nauseating level of hate on Zhou, which he's proven all the doubters wrong since then.
Has he? I think he should be given another look-in this year because of all the reliability issues he had in 2022, but I'd say there's still a few question marks over whether he's good enough for F1.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon Feb 06 '23
In terms of critiquing his driving ability, I don't see too much of that nowadays although comments like that are around still.
The big thing that was the issue surrounding Zhou was all the racist comments on social media last year. You name the platform, if it was the main F1 account or fan pages covering Zhou news, there was boatloads of racist comments thrown on there. Now that's stuff I don't see anymore about Zhou on social media anymore.
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Feb 06 '23
Zhou has been an absolute class act under the pressure, performed well, and has made himself very difficult to not like. Really impressive considering all the stigma and prejudice he was facing going in.
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u/TheFlame8 Lando Norris Feb 06 '23
Zhou didn't deserve hate but it's not like he's been all that special. Piastri deserved a seat way before him. He's got more talent than someone like Mazepin but he got the seat because of money.
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u/Ricciardo_Olsha Feb 07 '23
Here you go. Now you can't say you have never seen hate on Sargeant here.
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u/PrimeJHey Brawn Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
He scored 6 points….
Edit: Goatifi in a 10x worse car scored 7 in 2021 for context. Flirting vs Harassment meme
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u/The-WildInfernos Sebastian Vettel Feb 06 '23
Dude Zhou was a rookie and couldn’t capitalize when the car was actually competent.
He also beat Valtteri “20 poles” Bottas in quali on a few occasions
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u/Alpha_Jazz Yuki Tsunoda Feb 06 '23
which he's proven all the doubters wrong since then
how has he done that
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u/Beavers4beer Red Bull Feb 06 '23
Probably starting off in the points on his debut race, along with a relatively consistent and solid performance throughout the season.
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u/yallscrazy Formula 1 Feb 06 '23
I feel like there was basically no hate towards Zhou as a person, all the hate was towards China as I remember. Saying Zhou doesn't deserve a seat or hating the reason he is getting it for isn't hating him, but I certainly may be misremembering.
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u/slab-ym-kus Pirelli Hard Feb 06 '23
The only type of ”hate” i’ve discovered is him allegedly supporting Donald Trump, but other than that he’s quite clear imo.
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u/thegodfaubel Love Is Love Feb 07 '23
Does he actually support Trump or just his rich dad and uncle (who got caught doing illegal stuff)?
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u/Tough-Relationship-4 Feb 06 '23
Racing in America (nd racing drivers) are associated with more rural, blue collar, right wing circles. Its the polar opposite to Europe where racing is for the rich elites. Not surprised to see him associated with Trump supporters just by association of being a racing driver in America.
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u/apr0t Fernando Alonso Feb 07 '23
He is not blue collar or rural. His family owns the company that supplies the US military it's aviation fuel.
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u/BuzzedtheTower Kimi Räikkönen Feb 07 '23
Yo, what. Williams should try and put some of that in their car. Immediate kick up the grind until they get busted for using straight up jet fuel
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u/RBRMax94 Red Bull Feb 06 '23
As far as I know his hate comes from past (or current?) political stances. I’m not sure though if he is an outspoken person about his beliefs, I havent seen all too much proof on that.
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u/Litmus89 Kevin Magnussen Feb 07 '23
I haven't either, but I also don't actively go and seek out that information. I just see it from people on this site.
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u/No_Seaweed285 Charles Leclerc Feb 06 '23
We’re fans of an elitist sport that primarily only rich people can enter. I hate to break it to folks, but Sargent isn’t alone in his views even if others do a better job of hiding it. Stroll comes from a billionaire family. Lando Norris’s dad is a hedge fund manager worth $250 million. The vast majority of people with that kind of wealth in those industries would be Republican if they lived in America.
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u/mgorgey Feb 06 '23
And most of the drivers move to tax havens as soon as they start earning any real money. They are hardly socialists lol
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u/pitabread12 Kimi Räikkönen Feb 06 '23
Funny enough, Sargeant will probably pay the most in taxes out of any of the drivers because US takes taxes based on citizenship rather than residence so he can’t just move to Monaco.
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u/Sarcastik_Moose Andretti Global Feb 06 '23
I love hearing them try to rationalize it like, "oh well Monaco is so centrally located that it makes it convenient for me to live there". At least have the integrity to just own it and say I live here for tax purposes.
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u/Litmus89 Kevin Magnussen Feb 07 '23
Yea... you say that but that absolutely wouldn't do your public image any good except appeasing to a minority and massively hurting your reputation and sponsor potential.
Transparency and blunt honesty has exponentially diminishing returns especially when you're a public figure in a global sport.
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u/okok123321 Ferrari Feb 07 '23
Lando is a cute cheeky lad, but if he supported someone as disgusting as Trump, then I’d never be a fan.
Side note- Stroll is gross. Not a fan. He always comes off like a spoiled brat and his driving is often dangerous.
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u/l3w1s1234 Force India Feb 06 '23
Not really. Most the hate I see for him only comes from a small subset of people on Twitter. Usually when that's the case the hate is likely unwarranted.
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u/jpm888 Super Aguri Feb 06 '23
I dont see hate here either
just low expectations
then again we once had low expectations over Albon
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u/Vaexa George Russell Feb 06 '23
So-so junior career, but the bigger reason some people dislike him is probably stuff like this
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u/Stumpy493 Jean Alesi Feb 06 '23
So-so junior career
His first year in F2 was pretty damn strong
Sargeant first season in F2 - 2 feature race wins, 4 podiums, 2 poles, 4th place in the standings.
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u/Vaexa George Russell Feb 06 '23
Third in a Prema in his second season in F3.
A Prema. The team that's won every FIA F3 championship bar one in the last decade.
A junior career is more than Formula 2.
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u/Stumpy493 Jean Alesi Feb 06 '23
1 point behind Pourchaire and 3 behind Piastri who is being lauded as the potential next big thing.
The guy has genuine talent and has had a strong if not stellar junior career.
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u/M1k3yd33tofficial Max Verstappen Feb 06 '23
For real, he was a legitimate championship contender for 99% of that F3 season. He had bad luck in the final race that put him down to third.
The next year he put on a solid performance for the worst team on the grid, even taking a win. People want to cherry pick his stats to suit their narrative but big picture is the kid is good.
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u/blobfishy13 Force India Feb 06 '23
He was joint leading going into the last race of that season too
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u/baldbarretto Who's that? Feb 06 '23
Idk, I usually agree with your takes on feeders, but not sargeant in f3 it appears. there were occasions that year where the Prema was fucking OP - as one expects in f3 - to the benefit of sargeant and piastri. and what really stood out was how much pourchaire was doing with less. Example - pourchaire p17 to p3 at Monza.
Hungary, first race i think, was some pretty appalling driving from sargeant. Then when the title came down to the wire, he threw away his shot at Monza. Piastri punted out of the race - sargeant recovery drive from p26 into the points. Net gain within reach!…and then loses his temper with vesti for not just letting him by, decides to take an aggressive move and squeeze him on the overtake, tags his front left, double DNF.
That, from a second year f3 driver, was disappointing. And I saw shades of that same driver in the last third of f2 - not always great judgment under pressure.
Full credit to him, he usually seems to peak in the middle third of the season with all of the classic circuits (silverstone and thereabouts), and it’s a great time to show form in light of silly season and whatnot. And he did very well with charouz. I just think he has some clear deficits which I’ve rarely seen from piastri and pourchaire (who have less experience). I’d personally rank him behind Lawson, too.
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u/djwillis1121 Williams Feb 06 '23
He was third by 4 points. One point behind Pourchaire and four points behind Piastri, two of the most highly rated junior drivers of the last few years. He would have likely won that championship had he not been taken out in the final race through no fault of his own.
In 2021 he had to stay in F3 as he couldn't afford to go to F2. He also had to drive for Charouz, a backmarker team. That year he won a race and got four podiums. Charouz have never won a race before or since and have only had one other podium, Fittipaldi in the same year.
The numbers don't tell the full story.
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u/zaviex Sir Lewis Hamilton Feb 06 '23
Sargeant scored as many points finishes for Charouz in that one season than nearly all the rest of their history in FIA f3
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u/zaviex Sir Lewis Hamilton Feb 06 '23
Third place by 3 points. Behind his teammate who was Piastri I don’t see how that is bad at all lol
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u/mackbulldawg67 Logan Sargeant Feb 06 '23
He got taken out in the final race. You need to watch a summary of that season if you really think he was deserving of 3rd. Logan Pourchaire and Oscar were 1A 1B 1C. Not 1 2 3
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u/Astelli Pirelli Wet Feb 06 '23
He was leading the championship and the favourite going into the final race, having outqualified his main rival and teammate Piastri. He got taken out in the first lap, which handed the championship to Piastri (also in a Prema).
Sometimes the results don’t tell the full story. That’s arguably the best season of his junior career.
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u/dl064 📓 Ted's Notebook Feb 06 '23
Ha, I didn't think anyone was particularly mean about him but now I could see why.
OP has alerted me to the stuff they were trying to downplay in the first place.
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u/florisheld Max Verstappen Feb 06 '23
I don’t understand why people are surprised every time it’s revealed that a sport filled with rich kids will have right-wing views.
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u/Firefox72 Ferrari Feb 06 '23
Yeah he's a republican and i don't think it was a secret but he did a pretty good job PR wise to not bring attention to it. Especialy in the last 2 years where he really came into the spotlight.
Also @albonscar lmao. Are the fan wars already starting before the guy even makes his debut?
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u/FermentedLaws Feb 06 '23
Look at that whole Twitter thread though. The person states why s/he won't support Sargeant in a very non-confrontational way. Even says "I do not think it is fair to judge someone by their parents so I won’t be doing this, as he is able to think for himself." There's no hate there.
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u/roundcatsarebestcats Feb 06 '23
Agree. I won’t be supporting him myself and I also thought that thread was non-confrontational. There’s a difference between being a Republican and being a Trumper. Disappointing that he’s the latter but no hate
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u/Accomplished_Guava_7 New user Feb 06 '23
There is a difference between Republicans and Conservatives, but Republicans and Trumpers are synonymous in their views at this point.
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u/FermentedLaws Feb 06 '23
You'll have to specifically show me where that person was trashing him. They were explaining why they wouldn't support him. I'm thinking the words "hate" and "trashing" have different meanings to different people. And I would argue that the fact that this thread title contains the word "hate" is hyperbole. He's receiving a lot of criticism and judgment, but compared to the hate that Lewis and Max get regularly, and that Zhou got last year, this is nothing.
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u/CrabsolutelyBullshit Feb 06 '23
A lot of this stuff is from 5 years ago, when he was practically a child.
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u/r1char00 Feb 06 '23
He could set the record straight if his views have changed.
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u/Vaexa George Russell Feb 06 '23
OP asked a question, I answered.
If you wanna defend Sargeant you're barking up the wrong tree.
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u/duncanspurs Valtteri Bottas Feb 06 '23
On a public forum. Are you really surprised someone replied to you with something still on topic? Send a DM next time
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u/SanSeb Ayrton Senna Feb 06 '23
Americans bringing politics into everything.
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u/Crash_Test_Dummy66 Valtteri Bottas Feb 06 '23
Americans bringing politics into everything.
Ah yes noted Americans Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel.
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Feb 06 '23
I don't think I've ever seen either of them endorse or support a specific party or leader, more just their stances on particular issues
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u/Crash_Test_Dummy66 Valtteri Bottas Feb 06 '23
Sure, but the stances they both take have a very specific flavor. For instance I don't think that Lewis is ever endorsing the Tories given the positions he takes. But that's beyond my point. Mostly I was pointing out that it seems silly to blame Americans for bringing politics into everything when the two biggest political voices in F1 the last few years have in fact not been Americans.
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Feb 06 '23
well that's because they're taking an interest in issues rather than specific parties
Sargeant's an edgy teen and I'll look at him as such
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u/thegodfaubel Love Is Love Feb 07 '23
Yes, pro-LGBTQ Lewis and Seb are definitely hardcore right wingers /s
There's so much more, but no sane conservative is gonna walk around with "save the earth" t-shirts and rainbow helmets in extremist countries known for killing gay people unless they're a "token conservative" that they also parade around. Lewis and Seb are hardcore liberals no matter what country they reside.
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Feb 07 '23
There are plenty of conservatives who are pro-LGBTQ and pro-climate change. Your American bias is showing.
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u/tlgjbc Feb 06 '23
People affected by it give a fuck. The problem w/Sargeant is that he's not just another voter whose vote is equal to your own. His family massively funds hateful right wing loonies, and because of the way the U.S. permits this to be a thing in politics, it matters a lot.
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u/Vaexa George Russell Feb 06 '23
Do you believe other people also shouldn't give a fuck just because you don't?
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u/hhunterhh Feb 07 '23
He didn’t really though. The link posted above, the guy even said that the “make America great” caption on his W, was the only thing he could find relating to Trump. Everything else is hearsay
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u/hhunterhh Feb 07 '23
So practically nothing? Those tweets about corona were from early March when basically no one had any idea. Make America great again meh, but the guy even said that was the only thing he can find evidence of
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u/The_Jacobian Andreas Seidl Feb 07 '23
Yeah, I think he's a pretty shitty person but that's not exactly exceptional for this sport.
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u/ap17o4 Daniel Ricciardo Feb 06 '23
Hmm yeah thats a lot of proof but i would rather seperate him as the racing driver and him as the shitty guy with fucked up views on politics.
My rule of thumb is before someone says something stupid i have to hear them out
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u/Vaexa George Russell Feb 06 '23
You asked if he warrants the hate he is receiving. Not everyone shares this sports-and-politics-separate attitude you have, so there's your answer.
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u/Minelayer Sir Lewis Hamilton Feb 06 '23
How do you know what they are saying before you hear them out isn’t going to be stupid? This guy, whom I know noting about, seems like he would say something stupid right away.
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u/ap17o4 Daniel Ricciardo Feb 06 '23
Thats called being judgemental
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u/Minelayer Sir Lewis Hamilton Feb 06 '23
It’s okay to be judgmental towards some people. Some people deserve a break, some people do not. Rich white trumpies do not.
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u/Deislermilan Alfa Romeo Feb 06 '23
the "hate" Logan received so far is probably a negligble portion of what Zhou received when he signed.
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u/possums101 Lando Norris Feb 06 '23
I actually feel like I don’t see enough talk about his and his families political allegiances. As a queer black woman and fan of f1 it’s genuinely upsetting to me. His family are big Trump AMD DeSantis donors. This is the ideology of people who think people like me and my community are confused and dangerous. They want to wipe us from the public eye completely.
These are ultra conservative politicians that want to remake the country to fit what they perceive as correct. It’s misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, classist, transphobic and homophobic. I feel like maybe people aren’t understanding the weight of the Sargeant family ideology. If you don’t really care about those things because they don’t effect you then whatever. But to act as if politics is just politics is ridiculous. These things have real life consequences.
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u/Spare_Exchange2179 Feb 06 '23
Exactly. These “politics” have real world consequences for everyone except white men. Not a fan.
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u/Only-Cartoonist Daniel Ricciardo Feb 06 '23
Why pick only on the drivers though? It's not like the teams are squeaky clean either. McLaren, Aston Martin and Honda were caught up in a major greenwashing scandal in the UK only a few years ago. Not to mention the fact that it's a sport that runs on oil money, and many of the companies that provide said money have a major interest in stalling any meaningful action on climate change. I just find it strange that people are upset that an intrinsically right-wing sport is bound to attract drivers who also lean right (not that that's inherently a bad thing).
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u/nikobark Feb 07 '23
I don't see the issue here? He isn't spreading his ideology through F1 and what his family does in terms of political activity is completely irrelevant. I haven't heard him being the one donating big money to a certain political party
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u/Daniel-MP Fernando Alonso Feb 06 '23
The world does not revolve around you.
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u/possums101 Lando Norris Feb 06 '23
I don’t really understand what this means??? I’m sharing my opinion of the driver this post is about. Am I not allowed to have personal reasons for not liking someone? Lol
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u/AEWWC Ferrari Feb 07 '23
It means they don't care about the excellent points you've made. They probably aren't affected by those politics in the least and straight up dgaf.
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u/SvenderBender Red Bull Feb 06 '23
Well, i’m not gonna hate the kid for being a trump supporter but i’m certainly not gonna love him for it. This will probably slot him right there with stroll on the list of my “unliked active f1 drivers”.
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u/idxntknxw McLaren Feb 06 '23
"The things he said in the past" is a pretty simplified way to refer to the fact that he is a Trump loving right-winger....I'd say that's why people don't like him
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u/Emotional_Pizza_1222 Sebastian Vettel Feb 06 '23
Because of his political stand. Trump supporter, republican, anti covid.
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u/mgorgey Feb 06 '23
Who on earth isn't "anti covid" lol
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u/joseph_joestar___ Max Verstappen Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
I suppose he meant anti-covid policies like vaccinations, masks and lockdowns
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u/Emotional_Pizza_1222 Sebastian Vettel Feb 06 '23
He liked tweets that refer to covid polices as dumb.
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u/One_Ranger5968 Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
How many Americans supported Trump in 2018 , over 5 years ago only, too realize how unpresidential Trump would become. Once a Trump supporter does not mean always Trump supporter, people have the opportunity to change their minds especially 17 yo man.
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u/Accomplished_Guava_7 New user Feb 06 '23
Trump’s bigotry was crystal clear in 2015, and he gained more support from 2016 to 2020.
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u/Illyana_Rasputin Ross Brawn Feb 06 '23
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u/Accomplished_Guava_7 New user Feb 06 '23
Lol… I cannot read that “wrong” and not hear the Dorito in the 2016 debate against Hillary
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u/SvenderBender Red Bull Feb 06 '23
Hey, he will be given opportunities to denounce his support. Until he does, I will assume he still supports him
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u/Helioscopes Fernando Alonso Feb 06 '23
Exactly this. I prefer to ignore him until I'm sure he does not share Trump's views, than support him and then be disappointed when the eventual drama ensues because of something he said/did.
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u/marie2805 Sebastian Vettel Feb 06 '23
if it was known that my family supported trump and i did openly support him a few years back, i think i‘d want to state if i had changed my mind BUT (to give him the benefit of the doubt) his pr team might have told him not to, because lots of people don‘t know about it still, as long as he‘s not denouncing his support, i‘ll assume he‘s still supporting him
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u/EDO_14 Feb 06 '23
And even if he still does, it wouldnt make sense to hate him. The tribalism is stupid, he should only receive "hate" if he does something to warrant it
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u/supernakamoto McLaren Feb 06 '23
I disagree. If a politician espouses hateful rhetoric and then someone else publicly endorses said politician, the implication is that they also endorse their unpleasant viewpoints as well. On that basis, the criticism is entirely justified.
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u/EDO_14 Feb 06 '23
the implication is that they also endorse their unpleasant viewpoints as well
I'd argue it's an assumption rather than an implication. I could choose to vote for a party because they advocate for a policy that I care a lot about. It does not mean I am an advocate for every single policy in their manifesto.
This point is slightly unrelated to your comment, but I disagree with the idea that voting determines character/values because of anecdotal evidence. So many people I know, vote the opposite way to me, yet are amazing individuals. It's not black and white imo
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u/supernakamoto McLaren Feb 06 '23
I think generally speaking I’d actually agree with your main point. My initial post was thinking more in terms of a character as extreme as Trump, who has a history of particularly egregious behaviour and attitudes. I can absolutely like and get along with people of differing political views to my own, but with someone like Trump it isn’t just politics; it’s about the most basic levels of human decency. I just don’t think you can separate the politics from the man with someone like him.
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u/EDO_14 Feb 06 '23
Ah okay, I see where you are coming from now. Supporting an individual rather than a political ideology/party feels a bit more involved/personal
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u/CheekSpecific Valtteri Bottas Feb 06 '23
Supporting a politician isn't a neutral thing though, it says more about your values than how you dress or what films you like. It's completely legitimate to dislike someone for their political views.
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u/mgorgey Feb 06 '23
Generally it says more about where someone comes from than who they are.
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u/TyButler2020 Williams Feb 06 '23
Bingo. Even if his political views are different then yours. That doesn’t mean you instantly have to hate him. If he sticks to himself and doesn’t bring them up why do you have to hate him
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u/FermentedLaws Feb 06 '23
There's a different between hate and general support though. I haven't seen a lot of hate here or on Twitter. I have seen a lot of "I cannot support him."
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u/o_oli Pirelli Hard Feb 06 '23
The thing is, F1 is more fun if you have people to cheer for and people to cheer against. I'm not talking about posting hate online or laughing when people crash, but like sitting in my living room watching the race it's just more enjoyable to be wanting Albon to beat Sargeant, and sometimes I'll just pick loose reasons, gut feelings, whatever else I feel like to decide who's who, and I think most people do that and some people just take it a little too far voicing it honestly lol.
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u/jazwch01 Daniel Ricciardo Feb 06 '23
Trump wasn't your typical politician and his policies weren't along the lines of debating between 12 and 15 dollar minimum wage. It was things like vilifying groups of people and separating kids from parents at the border. Continued support for the type of openly deceitful and hateful policies he enacted is problematic.
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u/possums101 Lando Norris Feb 06 '23
This is a laughable take to me and tells me that you either aren’t familiar with the politics his family supports SUBSTANTIALLY financially or you’re not part of one of the demographics they despise. American or not my black gay ass is not rooting for him. The political ideology his family is supporting is actually very scary to people like me.
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u/Garanash Felipe Massa Feb 06 '23
You can dislike him for sure but the point is it enough to hate him. Don't you see where hating people for their opinions could go wrong ? Because if you hate him for what he thinks, you are implying that's it's okay for people to hate their political opposants, hence you are basically saying people are right to hate you since they don't agree with you, which I don't doubt you find it as stupid as me.
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u/tlgjbc Feb 06 '23
His family support fascists. It might be dumb to hate someone over disagreeing how to fund a given government program or something, sure, but they are actively trying to make this a more racist, violent place with fewer rights for all people. Fuck that. It's not tribalism so much as they're evil.
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u/Thisusernameisnoone McLaren Feb 07 '23
I know that I'm a vastly different person than I was when I was 17. Until I hear something along these lines that is his current opinion or behavior, I'll at least give him the benefit of the doubt.
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u/PBearNC Feb 06 '23
He chose #45 for his rookie FP1 drive last season at COTA. I’d say that’s a pretty good indication he hasn’t changed his mind.
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u/djwillis1121 Williams Feb 06 '23
De Vries was also #45 when he drove the Williams. I think it's just their default test/reserve number.
I don't think it really proves anything.
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u/PBearNC Feb 06 '23
Thank you, I didn’t realize that. I know next to nothing about Sargeant, but saw many people at the time tying the number to his tweets from years before
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u/Cobretti18 Michael Schumacher Feb 06 '23
45 is one of a few numbers Williams get allocated for testing/reserve driver so I doubt he got much say in what number to use. Besides he could’ve just chosen 45 for his full time driver number.
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u/dbstandsfor Sebastian Vettel Feb 06 '23
I hadn’t seen any negative comments about him at all, but now I’m learning he’s a Republican. Thanks for drawing this to my attention, won’t be cheering for him
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u/King_Edge71 Sergio Pérez Feb 06 '23
Because he’s an American who posted a pro Trump caption when he was 17 therefore he must be hated.
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u/jpm168 Max Verstappen Feb 06 '23
I get confused which side is the supposed intolerant one lol
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u/Fast-Investigator-30 Haas Feb 06 '23
probably the side that stormed the capital because they couldn't tolerate the other side winning. Idk its a hard one
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u/zaviex Sir Lewis Hamilton Feb 06 '23
I hate when people draw lines like there are actually sides to things. That’s not how things work but if you want to do that, the trump side is the one that tried to overthrow congress
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u/Blze001 Kimi Räikkönen Feb 06 '23
Which side is extremely intolerant? Yes.
Source: am American, it’s tiring.
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u/jpm168 Max Verstappen Feb 06 '23
Right?!? don't fall for the trap... both sides
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u/Raitil Esteban Ocon Feb 06 '23
Yes, I remember when the left stormed the capitol building and threatened to kill several members of congress. Or when the left voted against relief for the baby formula shortage. Or when the left shot out power stations because of drag shows. Or when the leftists in the supreme court ended federal abortion rights. Or when the leftists in the supreme court said that interracial marriage and gay marriage rulings needed to be investigated too.
I saw a quote from someone once, and it reads as follows; "Tolerance is not a moral high ground. It is a peace treaty. You are assumed to be a party to the treaty by default and are therefore protected in it by default. But, should you break the terms of the treaty, you are no longer protected by it, and those in the treaty may act against you without breaking it."
The right-wing broke the peace treaty (many times mind you), therefore they don't get protection. Assholes get treated like assholes.
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u/MTNRANGER85 Andretti Global Feb 07 '23
I mean he seems like a cool guy, personally idc about his political views I judge him based on his racing capabilities.
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u/Rivendel93 Chequered Flag Feb 06 '23
I haven't seen a ton of hate for him, but I know he got some hate for liking Trump, which is a pretty valid reason not to like someone.
But since the new FIA President banned any political opinions he should he good lol.
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u/apr0t Fernando Alonso Feb 07 '23
His family is near mazepin levels of corrupt but because he's American most people will turn the blind eye.
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u/thegodfaubel Love Is Love Feb 07 '23
The only positive about Logan Sargeant at this point is that he's now spending the vast majority of his time around people of vastly different backgrounds and cultures than he probably did growing up around his hardcore right wing family. Before I got to college, I would've probably considered myself a moderate who agreed with conservative viewpoints and was more for liberal social policy (hell, I was stupidly critical of Black Lives Matter in 2014 because my hometown was definitely conservative so most of my influences growing up were conservative). Thankfully, I learned a ton my freshman year and obviously shifted hard to the left and even more so in late 2015 and 2016 due to how extremist the American GOP became. So would I be shocked if Logan was a Republican Trumper? Not really because look at his family. But he can unlearn that being around more positive influences and Lewis in particular just being who he is. There were obviously some opposition in 2020 to taking a knee (a very liberal stance) and I think Max is the only one that has been publicly discussed about Lewis meeting with him to try to explain it that didn't really "buy-in" per se. So I expect Lewis to be very open with him. His teammate in Albon was also pro-demonstration.
Tl;dr there's lot of opportunity in the next year for Logan Sargeant to grow past his right wing past.
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u/Bendingo McLaren Feb 06 '23
Sounds like you want to ask him to go on a date or something
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u/ap17o4 Daniel Ricciardo Feb 06 '23
Well id rather know more about him before i judge them
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u/Bendingo McLaren Feb 06 '23
Idk man he's just a dude driving a car on tv, no need to judge either way.
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u/ap17o4 Daniel Ricciardo Feb 06 '23
Well theres a fisk of him getting attention as well when ur on international television u hold a lot of power once given the mic
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u/mustang_s550 Sir Lewis Hamilton Feb 06 '23
Then, befriend him in real life. You can never truly know someone without knowing them personally. Even that might not be enough. Don't take the internet too seriously
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u/AuContraireRodders Eddie Irvine Feb 06 '23
It's just the usual twitter suspects mouthing off again.
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u/dj_vicious Minardi Feb 07 '23
There's hate for him? How can you hate a gorgeous face like his? I get gayer every time I see that absolute snack.
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u/Simple-man-twitter Sergio Pérez Feb 06 '23
Honestly, because his family is conservative, mainly his dad with his support of Donald Trump, but he did like somethings, like an anti-mask post( although that was late February or early march of 2020) and a Joe Biden meme but I think most of the hate is undeserved
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u/tastefullmullet Red Bull Feb 06 '23
I haven’t seen any hate apart form people talking about him being mid. TIL he’s a trump guy so I guess it’s fair enough.
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u/blobfishy13 Force India Feb 06 '23
Because a couple of screenshots suggest he might have right leaning political opinions and his family have links with the republican party so because the current social media culture revolves around bringing politics into everything it somehow affects his ability as a racing driver. Lots of people seem to be expecting him to be the next Mazepin which I think is quite an unfair thing to say about a young driver who hasnt even made his F1 debut yet (Mazepin was also judged before he made his debut but his off track antics were far worse than anything Logans done).
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u/djwillis1121 Williams Feb 06 '23
The thing is lots of F1 drivers have right wing backgrounds.
The Sainz family are supporters of the right wing party in Spain, Massa and Barrichello openly support Bolsonaro, just to name a few.
Sargeant has a couple of questionable retweets a few years ago and somehow he gets more hate than any of them.
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u/whatdodrugsfeellike Aston Martin Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
It might be because alot of people have no idea about Spanish or Brazilian politics, but basically everyone has at least a surface understanding of what's up in America right now.
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u/r1char00 Feb 06 '23
Massa and Barichello aren’t on the grid. If they were, the Bolsanaro thing would come up. It did with the Piquets.
I don’t know enough about who the Sainz family supports or how bad they are but I do know how bad Trump is.
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u/LexiBuzzyBea Andretti Global Feb 06 '23
It’s because he’s American and the majority of users on Twitter (and Reddit) are Americans and have more exposure to American politics.
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u/blobfishy13 Force India Feb 06 '23
He would have won the Formula 3 championship againt Piastri and Pourchaire in 2020 if it wasn't for a lap 1 crash in the final race
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u/FermentedLaws Feb 06 '23
This happens in every sport, every where. If an athlete posts/comments about politics, they get judged for it. Seems fair to me. And no one, that I've seen, is judging his racing abilities based on his politics. They're judging his political leanings and deciding if they will support him based on that.
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u/Diligent-Big5024 Haas Feb 07 '23
The people complaining about comments or political affiliation of Logan don’t say a word about Saudi and their views as a country/culture. If people truly cared, they wouldn’t support F1 due to the dirty money yet they still watch so they are just complaining to complain.
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u/KnotiusMaximus Jim Clark Feb 07 '23
I’ve seen some hate for Logan, but it seems to be mostly salty Drugovich fans who wanted Felipe to get the seat over Logan. Logan himself is an every day American kid.
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u/Stumpy493 Jean Alesi Feb 06 '23
I don't see any hate for Americans in F1.
The fanbase seems pretty universal in wanting Andretti in the sport.
The love for COTA seems pretty universal.
There is hate for any country having 3 races, there is hate for Miami being a bit of an embarassing sideshow, and hate for Vegas being yet another dull street track with over inflated prices.
I haven't even seen many negative views about Sergeant, he's probably in F1 a year too early in his career, but had a fantastic second half of 2022 in F2.
Americans just seem really sensitive about their place in F1.
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u/Mysterious_Turnip310 Lotus Feb 06 '23
Most of the people I've seen saying they have an issue with him are actually from the US so this doesn't stand up at all. As others have already stated in this thread, the issue seems to stem from his father being a Trump ally, the fraud his father was apparently involved in and some political stances Sargeant took on social media a few years ago.
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u/_rv3n_ Feb 06 '23
I haven't seen a lot of hate, but no. He is a Williams Academy driver that came up through the feeder series and now has a seat at Williams. Sure he wasn't the most exciting guy to ever race in F2, but there are plenty of drivers who also weren't and did pretty well in F1.
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u/gottogetupandbe Sergio Pérez Feb 06 '23
I would say you could make an argument for another, more deserving driver, but, F1 is taking off*, and an American driver with deep pockets, from Florida, with a race in Miami… Gene Haas is furious he couldn’t sign LS. (I don’t know if that’s true, but it’s funny to me)
*especially in the US
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u/mgorgey Feb 06 '23
As a child he expressed some sympathy towards the "intolerant" side and as such he must never be tolerated.
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