r/gamernews • u/CerebralTiger • Feb 06 '23
Hogwarts Legacy Introduces Harry Potter Series' First Transgender Character
https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/934065-hogwarts-legacy-trans-character-transgender-sirona-ryan383
u/scott-bukkake Feb 06 '23
Dont they have a potion that can just make you a lady
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u/FalseStevenMcCroskey Feb 06 '23
There’s potions that’ll let you turn into other people but they don’t change your voice and they wear off after a little while.
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u/lemonprincess23 Feb 06 '23
Technically they change your voice in the books but in the movies they don’t.
Obligatory 🤓
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u/SorestKiller777 Feb 06 '23
They did for Crouch in the movies.
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u/ImurderREALITY Feb 07 '23
Maybe he changed his voice with a different spell
He was obviously skilled enough to impersonate Moody for an entire semester, mannerisms and all.
Most likely just had the know how and experience that the children did not.
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u/SorestKiller777 Feb 07 '23
Or it’s all polyjuice potion but it’s effects are dependent on the skill of the person who brews it. Hermione being a 2nd year, probably didn’t have it 100% perfect.
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u/ArcticAcrobat80 Feb 07 '23
Maybe. But Hermione perfected everything, all the time. Why would this be an exception?
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u/1stshadowx Feb 06 '23
Ive never understood adding any transgender representation in fantasy or sci fi when magic or technology is prevalent. Like they can just be the sex they want, why is there even a process lol
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u/Alphasite Feb 07 '23
Aren't they still trans? Obviously reality isn't quite as simple as wave a stick, but i don’t think some one ever stops being trans. They may no longer be a man or no longer be a woman, but i think the label trans will still apply.
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u/1stshadowx Feb 07 '23
No not all, why make the distinction when they are unequivocally that other sex now
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u/adjunctMortal Feb 07 '23
What a weird position. So to you, trans people aren't trans people once their body fully matches their identity?
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u/Thin_Illustrator2390 Feb 07 '23
i think they mean that in a sci fi/fantasy world where anything is possible such as modifying your body until you’re 100% the opposite gender, like even at the molecular level, is that person still considered trans or just the opposite sex?
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u/adjunctMortal Feb 07 '23
I understood what they were saying. A trans person making their body fully match their identity wouldn't mean they aren't trans. Why would it? They would still have been born, grown and learned more about themselves and who they are, and maybe have changed their body to match. The same process trans people in our world experience. I don't understand why perfect body modification tech/magic would mean they aren't trans.
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u/TopolCZ Feb 07 '23
maybe there's magic that could make you the sex you want to be retroactively, changing your sex in the past as well
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u/Alphasite Feb 07 '23
I understand from some practical POV that’s a fair position to take, but technically it’s still true, right? Arguably they still lived and know the experience of being trans and having gone though that.
It may not be their present but it is their past. Even if forgetting it may make you feel better, they still have something in common with other trans folk, so I don’t think it’s really accurate to say they are no longer trans.
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u/Mellero47 Feb 07 '23
No need for trans in Altered Carbon when you can literally just switch to an opposite body.
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u/1stshadowx Feb 07 '23
To me trans means transitioning as in the act of moving from one thing to another. If its complete to totality then you are no longer trans.
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u/bimmsy Feb 06 '23
I'm not a Harry Potter nerd but you would think that if you can turn a person into a cat or a perfect copy of another person, that being trans would be so innocuous as to not even be worth mentioning?
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u/stnick6 Feb 06 '23
Well both of those things are incredibly complicated to do in universe. The “turn into a cat” spell takes a month of you keeping a leaf in your mouth without swallowing it
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u/Ulissipolis Feb 06 '23
I do not know about turning into a cat spell but Hermione literally made a Polijuice potion in year 2. I am sure more permanent potions/spells are available and doable for adult wizards.
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u/LetsGoForPlanB Feb 06 '23
It did not turn her into a cat. Polyjuice potion is specifically not used for turning into animals.
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u/Ulissipolis Feb 06 '23
I think he is referring to that abomination she turned into because she took the wrong hairs
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u/notbarrackobama Feb 07 '23
Hermione being a furry was an abandoned plot point
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u/giblefog Feb 07 '23
If the game doesn't already support it, I'm sure someone will make a mod to do it.
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u/stnick6 Feb 06 '23
Yeah and it was incredibly complicated, took months, and turned her into a cat. Plus its incredibly temporary
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u/Ulissipolis Feb 06 '23
Yes, but 2 out of 3 times is still a good ratio. Lets not forget that Barty Jr also used it for months, even fooling Dumbledore.
Like I said, its probably not the best option and the most economic in terms of resources but it leads me to believe that some other things, even if harder to produce, would be more permanent.
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u/stnick6 Feb 06 '23
Yeah, it would have to be even harder then the potion which would be impressive.
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u/CameHereToSayFTrump Feb 06 '23
I think it’s worth noting that the universe, the lore, and the creatives still working on the IP all stand for inclusivity in stark contrast to Rowling.
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u/shufflebuffalo Feb 06 '23
There had been a large contingent of trolls online hoping the game would espouse more of Rowling's values than the community. Mnay were hoping to pre-order to support the developers and their (hopefully bigoted) narrative.
This is a delightful turn of events.
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u/TheBjjAmish Feb 06 '23
This is what I have gathered as well. When folks then say that "she is incredibly hateful on Twitter" I am not sure which tweets they are mentioning
as I am not on Twitter. I have seen reports of her double downing on her beliefs and when people start to attack her she goes on the attack back but that shouldn't shock anyone. "Hey you're an asshole!" and the person responds with "fuck you, you're an asshole!"14
u/Botion Feb 06 '23
she also supports the LGB alliance, a charity that lobbies against transgender legislation, and she has tweeted in support of Matt Walsh, conservative agitator and antifeminist, tweeting that he "did a good job exposing the incoherence of gender idenitity theory and some of the harms it's done". sometimes she's pretty open about her views.
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u/meelosh96 Feb 06 '23
She has soooo many tweets meant to invalidate trans people, so many insults, so many ridiculous takes to the point that it offends ME, A CIS PERSON. And it’s made all the worse by it being under the guise of feminism. Imagine only standing for some women’s rights.
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u/TheBjjAmish Feb 06 '23
I just went to her Twitter after this post because I was curious. The most recent things I am seeing is about not fully transitioned trans women in prison with cis women and the worry of assault. Then something about Scotlands Prime Minister agreeing that if you are in jail for assault against a cis women or domestic violence against a cis women as a trans women you shouldn't be allowed to be in the same prison as cis women. Then another tweet about someone convicted of raping women who later transitioned going to jail in a womens prison.
Taking out the gender piece of that conversation I could see where anyone who was raped (male or female) would be concerned about being in a jail with that same gender. Whether that was a woman raping a woman or a man raping a man, I could see why it would make sense to segregate those people with dangerous crimes away from others again regardless of trans or cis.
Then the last one I saw before I closed out because I didn't want to waste any more time on it was someone talking about hitting someone else with a car and how "unfortunate that would be" and JK saying that it is odd that there is so much fantasizing of women's death by that person.
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u/NlNTENDO Feb 06 '23
Okay, try this: her most recent book was written with a pseudonym. That pseudonym happens to be the name of the inventor of electric shock conversion “therapy”
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u/meelosh96 Feb 06 '23
Check her Twitter, she’s unbelievably hateful.
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u/holydragonnall Feb 07 '23
She didn’t start that way.
Not that there’s any excuse for hate, but she started as described above. Then the entire internet vilified her and instead of apologizing or learning why, she buckled in and doubled down. Why not? She’s rich as fuck and it doesn’t really matter.
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u/darkroadgames Feb 06 '23
Well we all know why it's being mentioned and it has nothing to do with advancing the story of a fictional world.
Even if you love it, it's undeniably about sending a real world message of inclusivity from the company to customers. It's "checking a box".
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u/Glowshroom Feb 06 '23
Believe what you want, but I'm glad to hear this. It's nice to see that Rowling doesn't have influence here.
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u/mbta1 Feb 06 '23
It can both be a "fuck JK Rowling message" that you like, and also be kinda obvious about the other reasons it is added (to make news stories, like this, which act as marketing for the game). Unless it actually helps build the world's lore, or move the story, it really is just kinda like checking a box. Again, not necessarily a bad thing, inclusiveness is great, but it'd probably be better if it was part of the story, not being used as a prop.
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u/Help_An_Irishman Feb 06 '23
Might be regarded as a dig at J. K. Rowling, who infamously had some less-than-PC views on the matter.
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u/what_comes_after_q Feb 06 '23
Two thoughts. First, magic is pretty loosey goosey in Harry Potter. There appear to be some pretty basic limitations on magic, like living forever requires the sorcerers stone. Maybe there is a magic reason people can’t permanently change their own bodies.
Second, the world is limited to the imagination of Rowling, who has some pretty negative views on trans people. So a game having a trans character shows that other people have official licensed creative freedom for this world, which is a big deal from a world building perspective.
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u/yur0_356 Feb 06 '23
Im 100% sure this character exists just to appease the anti JK Rowling crowd
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u/NoSayJ Feb 08 '23
Why is that such a big deal? She’s actively looking to harm the livelihood of trans people.
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u/MonstaVapour Feb 09 '23
No she is not you absolutely wet wipe.
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u/NoSayJ Feb 09 '23
She most certainly is, wtf, she’s not even shy about it, you soggy uncrustable
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u/MonstaVapour Feb 09 '23
Ok I'll bite, tell me what she said then, I bet you can't or will come out with something made up, I'm waiting.
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u/NoSayJ Feb 10 '23
She recently tweeted “Merry Terfmas” to a trans woman. She donates to anti-trans political campaigns. Joanne is a bitch my guy. I’ll give you something else to bite on too.
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u/King_wulfe Feb 11 '23
Holy shit homie, those two examples really scream “IM ANTI TRANS”….. the truth is, J.K Rowling essentially said people should have the right to call you any pronoun. Because freedom of speech and what not. This forced pronoun bullshit is an extremely dangerous rhetoric. Very very dangerous.
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u/King_wulfe Feb 11 '23
Holy shit homie, those two examples really scream “IM ANTI TRANS”….. the truth is, J.K Rowling essentially said people should have the right to call you any pronoun. Because freedom of speech and what not. This forced pronoun bullshit is an extremely dangerous rhetoric. Very very dangerous.
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u/King_wulfe Feb 11 '23
Holy shit homie, those two examples really scream “IM ANTI Trans”….. the truth is, J.K Rowling essentially said people should have the right to call you any pronoun. Because freedom of speech and what not. This forced pronoun bullshit is an extremely dangerous rhetoric. Very very dangerous.
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u/bringbackswg Feb 20 '23
On the surface it’s fine, but when you start thinking about the conversations that happen behind the curtain to get to this point it starts getting kinda icky. It had to have been discussed and even debated, and just couldn’t have happened naturally the same way including black or Asian characters at this point.
Imagine an excel spreadsheet filled with demographics that must be included in the game to appease certain groups:
African Indian Japanese Chinese Gay Trans? (We’ll need to discuss in meeting)
Yes, a checklist. Cultures and genders being broken down into surface level categories, itemized, submitted, accepted, debated, approved. Imagine having conversations like that when creating entertainment, or even having to create a sheet like that yourself. Imagine having an actual meeting about it:
“You want two trans characters in the script?”
“Yeah why not?”
“Let’s stick to one”
“Why?”
“One is enough inclusivity”
“In a magical world how much is too much?”
“We don’t want to ruffle too many feathers”
So the trans character we got was a flat, badly written character with little sparkle that was just so safe to the point of essentially being pointless to the story.
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u/Lavanthus Feb 06 '23
I can’t help but find it really funny that they added all these inclusivity options for character creation, but beards were out of the question.
And please nobody make the argument that they’re still young, as if every single one of us didn’t know someone in high school who had a fully grown beard.
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Feb 06 '23
I was one of those. I had a hairy chest by 14 and a thick beard by 16 lmao.
Now I’m 29 and visibly balding.
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u/Legato895 Feb 06 '23
the candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long 😞
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u/ohsinboi Feb 06 '23
As the dress code for this school involves robes and ties, beards are probably against the dress code.
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u/bimmsy Feb 06 '23
They're wizards? Since when no beards
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u/ohsinboi Feb 06 '23
They're children lol
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u/deskbeetle Feb 06 '23
I knew a guy who looked like a grown ass man with a full mustache by 7th grade. Didn't help that he had a haircut that would have fit in perfectly on Welcome Back Kotter.
I also knew another guy who was almost completely bald by the time he graduated.
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u/fuqqboi_throwaway Feb 06 '23
Sure there was always that one kid but it’s just off putting and borderline weird to complain about not having the option to give a 15 year old facial hair
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u/Goddamnpassword Feb 06 '23
I had to shave everyday starting at 14 and had a full beard in the summer between freshman and sophomore year.
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Hey look just another person
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u/gideon513 Feb 06 '23
Tell that to JK Rowling
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u/No_Wolf3071 Feb 06 '23
I’m sure she’s loving the gameplay
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u/Jonnyscout Feb 06 '23
All 37 minutes of it
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u/Glowshroom Feb 06 '23
Rowling would consider them a person, just not the gender they identify as.
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u/super__literal Feb 07 '23
Using the words ‘sex’ and ‘gender’ interchangeably obscures the central issue of this debate.
If you’re interested in what I actually said, see bit.ly/347qA56 (in which I literally say ‘trans lives matter’ and ‘trans rights are human rights.’)
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1476194942921977863?t=E9-SZW1I4FInrvpi5h9wJg&s=19
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u/DJokey Feb 06 '23
I'm hoping this comment is not in bad faith (not saying it is) but as a minority I'm happy we get to be represented in media, maybe for you it's just a small little detail but for others it's a huge step and a form of validation. Hopefully we progress in a way that these types of news are not necessary anymore and it's just the norm. But for some people this represents way more than just a "another person". Just my view on it, not trying to create drama.
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u/oDiscordia19 Feb 06 '23
I think its intended to normalize that a trans person is just a person. Including minorities for the sake of representation and inclusivity is a positive thing, of course. But the more we praise something for simply being inclusive the more we point to the minority and say 'Look we're representing you, are you happy now? Look everyone, we're including a trans person in our fiction, isn't that cool of us?!' And in doing so - you increase the alienation and otherness of the thing that you're trying to include. Idk - its a hard line to walk I'd guess. You want to represent everyone - but at the same time not make it about representing them?
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u/localdavid Feb 07 '23
What you're saying with the "isn't that cool of us!?" thing literally isn't what anyone wants. That is a textbook example of corporations twisting people into their agendas to make money. That's not what minorities want. Minorities want to be represented, and they want to be able to be allowed to feel happy about that representations BECAUSE it didn't exist for them before.
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u/DJokey Feb 06 '23
It's important to normalize minorities yes, and I do agree with you on some points, but we also have to take in consideration that many of us are still being persecuted in today's world, things are looking good in a lot of places but throughout the world there is still huge homophobia, transphobia, racism, sexism etc. It's not as easy as "let's all act like everything is fine and all the problems will dissipate". We also have to recognize that there is a fight being held.
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u/Longjumping_Hawk_951 Feb 06 '23
Right. It's ways more.problemaric with these blogs and shit making a big deal out of it.
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u/Metfan722 Feb 06 '23
I get the point, but it is important to make note of a milestone like this. What I'm curious is what's Joanne's reaction to the news.
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u/Umbreon--- Feb 06 '23
I don’t understand why f2m trans ppl never get the same amount of media popularity that m2f get.
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u/Sparrowhawk_92 Feb 06 '23
Honestly? It's likely because FtM "pass" more easily than MtF. Just being on T without anything else will change their jaw shape, give them facial hair, and lower their voice. If they get top surgery, they look no different than a cis-gendered man from a casual observer.
On the other side, MtF requires a lot more work. Estrogen can do things like cause breast growth but it doesn't change facial structure as much, they may still have to shave, and they have to practice doing a feminine voice (which some are naturally better at than others).
This isn't to say that you have to be able to "pass" in order to be considered trans. Trans people should just be allowed to exist regardless.
Also, like others have said. It's misogeny, the idea of a straight man being tricked by a trans-woman into having sex with her (and making him gay, apparently) has a lot more cultural cache than a woman accidentally sleeping with a trans-man. Trans-women are far more often villainized than trans-men are.
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u/Raandomn Feb 20 '23
Trans men are often villainized too. Just not by straight people, who are more visible. But check out gay subs and you'll see how often they get angry about "women being in their spaces".
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u/Beansupreme117 Feb 06 '23
I mean even in general when you hear about trans people it seems like 95% it’s male to female
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u/Sea-Disk-1111 Feb 07 '23 •
There’s a common saying in the trans community. Trans men are invisible and trans women are hyper visible. When trans men transition, they often pass as cis men. When they do not pass, people assume they are butch lesbians. When trans women pass as cis women, obviously no one noticed. When trans women do not pass as cis women, everyone noticed. There is no feminine man with breasts category. Trans women that do not pass are visible to everyone, everywhere, at all times. Even trans women that pass inevitably went through a non-passing stage at some point in transition. We get used to being stared at but cis people do not get used to seeing us because we are so rare. We literally go through the harshest imaginable exposure therapy.
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u/Independent_Switch33 Feb 06 '23
Because the m2f are the loudest
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u/Decertilation Feb 06 '23
In circular, trans men stealth easily and have less incentive to identify as trans publicly, while m2f tend to need to fight for their right to exist.
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u/Air3090 Feb 06 '23
It boils down to misogyny. It's the same reason feminine presenting gay men are more often targeted for harassment than masculine gay men.
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u/Cavalish Feb 06 '23
You’re being downvoted but you’re right.
FtM is seen as “trading up” or improving your station in the world. “Of course women want to be men! Men are better!”
MtF is seen as a downgrade, a weakening. “Why would you want to be a woman gross”
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u/Air3090 Feb 06 '23
Exactly, but perhaps I didn't word it properly. Just because the outside world sees it as "trading up" it doesn't make it true. Trans men face just as many challenges but the way those challenges present themselves often look different. Many are often silenced or called traitors to feminism. TERFs like JKR even make the absurd argument that they are just confused lesbians who were manipulated into changing their gender. Truly vile ideology and misogynistic in its own right.
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u/Lilprotege Feb 06 '23
Because they don’t win National or World Championships at the expense of their natural counterparts like the transitioned M2F do.
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u/TheBjjAmish Feb 06 '23
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-texas-wrestler-wins-second-high-school-girls-title-n851106 Everybody seems to forget about Mack who dominated highschool wrestling because they wouldn't let him wrestle in the male division.
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u/Lilprotege Feb 06 '23 •
This one too. There are a couple of examples. Fairness in athletics isn’t tied to identity. It’s tied to genetics. We need to have a difficult conversation that can both recognize how someone identifies themself while also recognizing that those that have been through a M2F transition have an inherent biological advantage.
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u/TheBjjAmish Feb 06 '23 •
Yeah mine was F2M transition not M2F and the F2M winning championships because they wouldn't allow him to compete even though he was taking hormone therapy in the male division.
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u/Lilprotege Feb 06 '23
Yeah, that one is a lot different. Mack was not just willing to compete in the boys division, he actively tried to compete in the boys division. The issue is people like Lia Thomas who transitioned after having all the advantages of male puberty (muscle density, bone density, increased cardiovascular and lung capacity) these are real questions that get excused because people wish to not have a difficult conversation for fear of hurting feelings.
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u/novasolid64 Feb 06 '23
You could do this in saints Row cyberpunk. How is this a big deal?
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u/CrazyAuntErisMorn Feb 06 '23
I would think it’s because of all the backlash they’ve been getting over JK Rowling being a terf. Gotta save some face for those sales and try to separate themselves from her.
My cynicism aside and hoping they’re doing it purely for inclusivity and visibility of a marginalized people - yay inclusivity! I love seeing things like this.
The more the merrier in games, I think. Why stop at just one?
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u/DreadedChalupacabra Feb 06 '23
It's not even out yet and already it's the top selling game on steam. It doesn't need the help, most people aren't even paying attention to the terminally online right vs left discussion around this shit. They just wanna be a wizard.
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u/DirtharaFalon Feb 06 '23
Well for those who were apparently born yesterday, it's very brave and important.
Because they weren't aware that wizards could always metamorph.
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u/Chansh302 Feb 06 '23
Oh no lmao. It’s bout to get review bombed just like the last of us series’ episode 3
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u/AEW_Xbox_Writer_1990 Feb 07 '23
I think it will be fine. Seems like a minor character that shows up for a few minutes at best
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u/Eagles5089 Feb 06 '23
That's cool and everything but one major question......can you pet an owl?
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u/Saeryf Feb 06 '23
I can't confirm that yet, but you can pet a bunch of cats and some creatures later on so I wouldn't be surprised if we can. Here's hoping, all the critters need pats.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SOULZ Feb 06 '23
I'm gonna point out that Mundingus dressed as a woman in OOTP to spy on Harry. In a world of magic, gender swapping must be as easy as flicking your wand.
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u/Sparrowhawk_92 Feb 06 '23
In theory, yes this is true. It should be incredibly easy for wizards/witches to transition, but if JK Rowling has anything to say about it (and she does as the creator) then she's going to make transitioning inexplicably difficult or impossible due to her own biases.
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Feb 06 '23
I'm gonna point out that Mundingus dressed as a woman in OOTP to spy on Harry.
Ok but why bother pointing that out as if it's relevant?
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u/CommanderOfGregory Feb 06 '23
Not according to JK Rowling. But honestly who cares, can a character just be a character without everyone going nuts and submitting dozens of articles about how amazing it is (insert skin color here) character is in the game! Or this LGBTQ member is in this game! Isn't celebrating things like that just idk treating people differently because of their appearance and sexuality? Hmmmm that sounds familiar.
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u/Briansama Feb 06 '23
Omfg nobody cares about your pathetic virtue signaling l. Well, nobody that matters anyways
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u/J0hanNmonster Feb 06 '23
19th century. So magic? Can I change be transgender as well? What's the point even saying about the character that he/she is trans if we are supposed to see them like any other person?
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u/schwol Feb 06 '23
I'm far from a HP fan but the game looks kinda cool
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u/DreadedChalupacabra Feb 06 '23
Yeah the entire boycott definitely got me watching a lot more footage and took this game from "Don't care" to "that looks remarkably like a wizard themed dark souls and I kinda want it now".
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u/tonylouis1337 Feb 06 '23
"oH bUt I'm NoT gOnNa GeT iT cUs Jk RoWlInG!!!"
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u/lethalmuffin877 Feb 06 '23 •
Seriously though. All for saying she doesn’t believe dudes dressing up as women are actual women and then the mob came at her trying to force her to accept dudes dressing as women as actual women and apologize.
She said nah, fuck that. And now here we are people saying she is killing trans people for her statements.
Ugh ffs
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u/HalensVan Feb 06 '23
She said a lot more than that. I always find it weird when people defend bigots with a false narritive.
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u/Beansupreme117 Feb 06 '23 •
Yeah after the mob attacked her for the original innocuous comment.
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u/sparklequest64 FAKENEWS Feb 06 '23
So you are boycotting this game because of her? That is correct?
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u/LazyWriter123 Feb 06 '23 •
It’s ok, this is Reddit. Supreme Hive Mind of the Left. Saying anything that isn’t affirming and then praising a Trans person is considered bigoted. Remember these are the same people that wanted the game Boycotted because they can’t separate the artist from the art.
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u/lethalmuffin877 Feb 07 '23
It’s pretty sad tbh.
Look how fast they labeled me a transphobe nazi bigot and demand I delete my comment for pointing out that they labeled JK a transphobe nazi bigot and demanded she delete her comment.
It’s truly incredible. They honestly believe the rest of the world agrees with them because noone says anything here in the comments sections. Some do, but we see how that ends up 😂
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JK Rowling is a piece of shit
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u/Beansupreme117 Feb 06 '23 •
I mean she’s also donated so much money that she pushed herself out of the billionaire bracket. So she’s kinda a great person…
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u/Beansupreme117 Feb 06 '23
She didn’t even say it that harshly. Her original tweet were about how tampon ads were removing the word “woman”
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u/swankyeggplant Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
You’re right, dudes dressing up as women aren’t women. They’re drag performers, or femme-presenting men, or maybe gender fluid/non-conforming. Anyone identifying as a man, and wearing feminine clothing, is a man.
Trans women are women. They’re not dudes. They’re women.
I know you understand this concept and are just being transphobic and staunchly anti-trans. My comment isn’t an attempt to change your mind (because your bigoted opinion is irrelevant — after all, trans representation continues to grow despite people like you whining about it). I just wanted to cancel your comment out by correcting it.
But feel free to delete yours now that you’re better educated. :)
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u/lethalmuffin877 Feb 06 '23 •
People like you are why I don’t mind the negative karma. Everything about your statement shows clear as day for anyone reading this how unbelievably aggressive you are at trying to bully people into your way of thinking.
If anything, all you’ve done is make the divide more obvious. Furthering hate and making people feel more uncomfortable to weigh in with their real thoughts. Congrats.
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u/swankyeggplant Feb 06 '23
I’m not trying to bully you into anything. Again, changing your mind is unnecessary. Trans inclusivity and representation continues to grow at a speedy pace without your help.
Capitalism values profit above all else. The fact that giant corporations are being openly trans-inclusive proves that the majority of people want to see that inclusivity.
You used transphobic language, claiming that trans women are just men masquerading as women. And you knew what you were doing. You’re the bully here. Please don’t think anyone could possibly mistake you for a victim lmao.
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u/fetusdeletusk Feb 06 '23
I have no problem with trans people in games. The thing that I dislike is devs adding main characters that are trans just for the sake of them mentioning that they are trans every cutscene. If you are making a character make him with a personality and background not just a flat piece of cardboard meant to please the slacktivists. I think a lot of people don't like trans characters in games because they are added just for the progressive message. If devs cared to make them a personality and lore maybe people would find it much less negative.
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u/Docholiday422 Feb 07 '23
I’m playing the game right now and love it. I’m a HUGE Harry Potter fan and Fantastic Beasts. But… and I’ll probably get hate for this, why a trans in a game set in the 1800s. I feel like it was just slapped in there to make LGBTQ happy, I feel it was completely unnecessary though. Yeah yeah, I know you can change your appearance and all with potions but still… common.
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u/Krystress Feb 13 '23
Yeah, it really takes me out of it when they are never historically accurate. Why even have it set in the 1800's at this point if everyone is "diverse" and woke? Makes no sense.
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u/pressedbread Feb 08 '23
why a trans in a game set in the 1800s
Look into the history. Gender non-conformity and gender-bending and sex changes have been a thing forever. Its not something that started with TikTok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_transgender_people_in_the_United_States
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u/Glorgnak_psn Feb 06 '23
It's a token transgender. What a joke. Find a new magic world to implant a transgender main character in the 1800's and make them not a tool for pleasing the masses.
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u/Saeryf Feb 06 '23
Haven't met the character yet but as long as the game doesn't just club you with it during every conversation then kudos for the inclusion regardless of why they did it.
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u/Slow_Writing_7013 Feb 06 '23
Why is this being pushed so hard by the media? Such a weird agenda. I was cool with it but now it’s really annoying.
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u/Substantial-Car-5730 Feb 07 '23
It’s a fantasy fucking sci-fi game… We’re really worried about transgender bullshit?? My fucking God people.
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We care. Trust me we do. Even if it looks like we are here just to play the game and just watch the story, we actually really want to know which side character goes to which bathroom. Its on the list. We want to know.
edit: hahaha yall are tripping over each other to downvote this like that changes anything. go touch grass
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u/sparklequest64 FAKENEWS Feb 06 '23
It seems like people care a whole lot, almost no one cares about the actual game only this clickbait politics
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u/DeLuceArt Feb 06 '23
Very interesting. This appears to be a good example of SEO hijacking. Let me explain.
In instances of bad PR, certain keywords that are most associated with the controversy can be targeted in order to avoid backlash. News articles, blogs, and social media posts can be utilized to effectively neutralize the negative coverage of a brand or person.
For example, former Prime Minister Boris Johnson. A number of years ago he was having bad press over two situations: 1 related to a situation involving a bus that was making the news with an advertisement on it criticizing his role in Brexit, and 2 an alleged domestic dispute between him and a model.
In multiple interviews Boris went out of his way to talk about how he loves painting "Model buses", and that he is a "Model of restraint". These quotes went on to be covered by the press, eating away at the top results for the controversy, since the key words "Boris Johnson" + "Model" or "Bus" were now the most recent top results in search.
It's obvious that a similar marketing strategy is being used by Warner Bros here with the Hogwarts Legacy PR surrounding Trans activism. The relevant SEO keywords for "Hogwarts"/"Harry Potter" and "Trans"/"Transgender" are tied into this article and many others that are coming out the same week that the heaviest search volume for this game will occur. Not including my judgement either way of whether this is moral or not, just pointing out that this is clearly a marketing decision made to ease the fallout from the bad press they were receiving regarding the LGBT communities.
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u/LazyWriter123 Feb 06 '23
Exactly, if any transgendered character actually sees this and says “wow representation” I might puke. This was damage control, nothing more nothing less.
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u/asimowo Feb 07 '23
hey, just a heads up, “transgendered” is not a verb, it’s an adjective. it’s like saying someone is blacked, asianed, or gayed. they just are gay, black, asian, etc. it’s not an action, it’s who they are. if you say “transgendered” it may give people the wrong idea that you may be transphobic, it’s also just grammatically incorrect if you care about that sorta thing too.
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u/captainpoppy Feb 06 '23
But I heard we were all supposed to boycott it because Rowling is anti-trans?????? /s
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u/ConflictGrand4078 Feb 06 '23
How about you just treat them like any other normal person instead of making headlines any time an LGBTQ+ is in a video game?
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u/Joy2b Feb 06 '23
This particular brand is trying to say “don’t hate me, look, I care about you”.
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u/sparklequest64 FAKENEWS Feb 06 '23
This is just the opposite of what was said up above, what a weird subreddit
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u/Joy2b Feb 06 '23
They said something that would normally be entirety reasonable, but it implied that they weren’t on top of this particular drama lama.
I like that attitude though, the game is incredibly unimportant, the action is too little too late, why do we care?
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u/DiffStrokes4DiffFolx Feb 06 '23
tbf to the devs, they didn't mention or show the character in any promotional material and when approached for comment they have just given general answers back.
I reckon this, and the flexibility of the character creator, is more of a statement that the IP is under different management.
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u/Lagduf Feb 06 '23
In this case what’s unstated in the headline, and perhaps detailed in the article (because let’s be real, neither of us read it) is that Harry Potter author JK Rowling has made anti-trans statements and supports anti-trans groups.
The inclusion of a trans character in the video game appears to be a “fuck you” to Rowling.
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u/Leather-Heart Feb 06 '23
Because it was made an issue - no one cares, but Rowling brought this up and wanted to make a point. Forcing people to care. It’s a dumb thing,
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u/Beansupreme117 Feb 06 '23
More like r/gamingcirclejerk lol. Games getting praised left and right
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u/carbonatedshark55 Feb 06 '23
I have a feeling that she is just a token character. Look, the trans community doesn't like Harry Potter at all, so if I were a designer, I would not even try to appeal to them.
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u/DarthFuzzzy Feb 06 '23
There are a ton of Trans people who love the Harry Potter universe. People from all walks of life are fans. The author being a psycho doesn't suddenly change people's childhoods.
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u/JoeyRocketto Feb 06 '23
Right. You can separate the art from the artist.
HP has had a huge impact on many people and has been a part of the zeitgeist for a while.
You can't tell someone not to like something because of the optics. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/carbonatedshark55 Feb 06 '23
But it does. When people see that their favorite childhood stars are horrible people, it changes the way they look at their past. I agree that a ton of trans people love Harry Potter, but all of them have to cope with the fact that a portion spent on Harry Potter products is going to anti-trans organizations. Now, what the new game is trying to do is to distract from J. K Rowling contributions by including a trans-girl. Now if the character is a major part of the game and educates players on trans identity then I might even buy it. However, I highly doubt that and this will remind people of Rowling desire to eliminate trans people from society
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u/Hydroaddiction Feb 06 '23
Make a Harry Potter Game just for "educate people"... Brilliant minds you can find nowadays on internet lol. I want to be a wizard not to "educate my mind". Do that in a new Game/franchise as Dontnod did, but there is no need to mix real world polítics in videogames.
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u/sparklequest64 FAKENEWS Feb 06 '23
We should just start a new fantasy franchise, its not like these things are hard to write
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u/Abeedo-Alone Feb 07 '23
In my uni we have a Hardy Potter student society, and I would say that 99 percent of the members are excessively pro LGBTQ+. At the beginning of every college year the society posts a reminder in social media that they disagree with the author's views and in fact greatly support transgender people. Although a large part of the population generally know and enjoy Harry Potter, I'd say a large portion of the superfans are very into that kind of stuff, so it sort of makes sense why they might try appealing to them.
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u/cat_on_my_keybord Feb 07 '23
im trans and this “sorry letter” feels like a punch in the face. Its funny to imagine it just changing absolutely nothing. like is it just a switch in the character creation menu thats just there?? what the hell would it change
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u/ballslapping Feb 09 '23
That and they fucking chose a name that starts with "Sir." That feels almost like a dog whistle
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u/sparklequest64 FAKENEWS Feb 06 '23
Do you know how this actually works? It's like superman's gay son. The developers couldn't actually make superman gay without starting a riot so they just make some token character in the same universe as gay. So essentially, harry potter is canonically a m2f trans woman. The developers just want every gamer to play the game from the perspective of a female and understand that the female perspective is the correct perspective to view the harry potter universe. I guess they just like messing with children's heads.
You're a woman now, harry!
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u/Quelex Feb 06 '23
I'm just going to remind people while it's still early that it is against reddit platform wide rules to spread hate speech based on identity or vulnerability. While the moderators of this subreddit (as stated in our declaration of moderation) do not remove comments for most reasons, reddit admins will certainly discipline you if you are breaking their rules.