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u/hbi2k Jan 15 '23
Given everything that's going down right now with the Discovery merger, I wouldn't get too attached to anything on Warner Brother's release calendar.
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u/TotallyNotDuckey Jan 15 '23
Finally get a chance to see where Gondor was when the Westfiold fell
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u/FrozenShadow_007 Dwarf Jan 15 '23
No we do not, apparently it’s an prequel anime film which will detail the namesake of Hornburg, Helm Hammerhand in a war.
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u/Tuor77 Jan 16 '23
Um... this took place several hundred years before the War of the Ring. It ended one of the lines of kings in Rohan.
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u/EgoSenatus Jan 15 '23
How old is this? I thought they just scrapped a ton of the DC stuff
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u/ScotchSinclair Jan 16 '23
They’re rebooting the dc cu but I wouldn’t assume anything that’s already nearly finished wouldn’t still be released. It’s going to be a while before Gunn’s universe gets released.
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u/loftier_fish Jan 15 '23
Oh joy, another cashgrab that wont respect the original material.
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u/Chen_Geller Jan 15 '23
So long as movie tickets cost money, all movies can be decried as cashgrabs.
I don't think a seventh Middle Earth film will do much harm. Once we get into double digits like Marvel, Bond, Star Wars and Harry Potter, than there may be cause for concern.
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u/loftier_fish Jan 15 '23
I disagree. Though they may still be profitable, some movies are made with a genuine love for art and storytelling, and it shows. People make decisions for the film to be better, not just for mass appeal, or strictly because they think it will make more money. Why stretch a small book into three films? Not because it improves the experience, but because it makes money.
They just made a trash TV show, not because they had a real story to share, or a message, or because they loved the lord of the rings, but because they knew it would sell no matter what they did, and make money.
Star Wars was George Lucas way to speak out about the state of America, and criticize it for becoming a war mongering imperialist force. He made the movies with meaning, and a message, thats why they were good, and thats why the new sequel trilogy, with no meaning, or message, that was solely an imitation meant to make money, was so bad.
As an audience, you can feel when the only driving force behind the film is greed. And it makes the film awful, even when the sets, and the effects, and the actors are amazing. It cannot compensate.
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u/Chen_Geller Jan 15 '23
So, you basically cherrypick the movies you like and dislike, and every movie you like is driven by art and every movie you dislike is driven by money. Convenient.
Why stretch a small book into three films? Not because it improves the experience, but because it makes money.
The failure of this argument is simple: if it were driven by making money, you'd expect the decision to come from the money people, i.e. the studio, and it didn't. Absolutely ALL the testimony is that the decision came from the filmmakers.
They just made a trash TV show, not because they had a real story to share, or a message, or because they loved the lord of the rings, but because they knew it would sell no matter what they did, and make money.
Is the story of the Second Age, of Celebrimbor and of Isildur and so forth, not a "real story to share"? People seemed to like it enough when it was given to them as a montage in The Fellowship of the Ring. I don't care for the show either, but to claim there was no reason to tell these stories is dishonest at best. Its just they see Tolkien in a different way to me and you, and so they made a show we didn't care for.
Star Wars was George Lucas way to speak out about the state of America, and criticize it for becoming a war mongering imperialist force. He made the movies with meaning, and a message, thats why they were good, and thats why the new sequel trilogy, with no meaning, or message, that was solely an imitation meant to make money, was so bad
Star Wars is certainly laden with Vietnam War-era allegory, but I would hardly say that was the reason George Lucas made it: he first wanted to remake Flash Gordon and then went through one or two drafts that didn't yet have any substantial Vietnam War subtext them; and that subtext isn't present in all the entries in equal measure, and some of the entries in which its more prominent like Return of the Jedi are driven by trends (Apocalypse Now having just coming out) than "making a statement."
Plus, of the six Lucas-penned Star Wars films, at least one sucks ass and two or three more are subpar.
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At any rate, I think the story of Helm Hammerhand is a worthy story to tell. Its hard to tell the lengths the production is going to since its animated, but the cast and crew are very talented and the concept art looks ravishing. At the very least, we should give the film the benefit of the doubt.
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u/AntiLordblue Jan 15 '23
So, you basically cherrypick the movies you like and dislike, and every movie you like is driven by art and every movie you dislike is driven by money. Convenient.
You mean have likes and dislikes about certain movies? What was the purpose of this statement lol.
Your statements stem down to. There's not really a good reason to not make the movies. It's art it's subjective they could make the movies for any reason. Tolkien is known for his themes and the structure of his world he design. To ignore any of that and make your own subjective art is not honoring Tolkien clear and simple.
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u/Chen_Geller Jan 15 '23
You mean have likes and dislikes about certain movies?
That's fine, but just because one dislikes a movie doesn't mean the people who made it weren't passionate about making it. Its just the way art is: unpredictable and ultimately varied; and when its an artform as complex as film, things can go wrong in a hundred million different ways regardless of the filmmakers' passion for what they do.
And I just don't see a reason to snigger at The War of the Rohirrim just yet. I think its a story worth telling, concept art looks incredible and the cast and crew is a who's-who of Lord of the Rings veterans.
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u/AntiLordblue Jan 15 '23
Yeah, hating before it comes out is a bit much. However, I am in the group where I believe Hollywood will keep making movies on things until they can't make any more money on it.
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u/Chen_Geller Jan 15 '23
ollywood will keep making movies on things until they can't make any more money on it.
Right, but the rights situation around Tolkien's works and the difficulty of putting them to the screen limit the amount of Tolkien adaptations we get and the rate in which they are turned out.
We have 12 Star Wars films and I can't count how many shows and TV specials; with Marvel I've lost count of both. There are ten Harry Potter films. 25 Bond films, and DC....okay, lets forget about that one for a minute...
And, comparativelly we have... a whole of six Middle Earth films - seven with this one. Big whoof.
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u/AntiLordblue Jan 15 '23
I get it. Now is fine, but looking forward is where people take issue. Not a big deal. Have a good night
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u/therealsandyleon Jan 16 '23
May I direct your attention to everyone saying the same thing in 2001. Until we see what it actually is, we have no way of knowing how good (or bad) it’s going to be
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u/tarahunterdar Jan 15 '23
I think it will be good.
The ROP were problematic because it tried to tell a story without consulting the Silmarillion because they didn't have the rights to it. The setting, world building, wasn't terrible at all...just the half told story when we all know the story.
However, the Rohan sagas are in the source material they have access to, plus, it does not involve well known characters to retcon in. They know the overall aspects, but can flesh out details without ruining the story otherwise. Should make for a good show.
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u/So-It-Baggins Jan 15 '23
I'd like to say they'd better get Karl Urban back for this. But I wouldn't want them using terrible de-aging CGI on him. Karl doesn't deserve that.
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u/Chen_Geller Jan 15 '23
Its set 250 years before Eomer's time. Miranda Otto's Eowyn is in it, but only as the narrator.
Oh, and its animated.
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u/VagabondRommel Jan 15 '23
Ooh and Mad Max right after. Neat!
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u/smithjw13 Jan 15 '23
You could show me 3 hours of thousands of horses running down hills at orcs and I’d be fine with it
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u/Bonuscup98 Jan 15 '23
I like the fact that there are only three kinds of movies being made today: remakes, sequels, and movies based on already existing media. Celebrating every story, my ass.
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u/Mr-Leorio Jan 15 '23
So help me god I can’t see a single film that isn’t a remake, sequel, or related to a currently existing franchise. This is getting stupid
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u/bhicdwh92 Jan 15 '23
I have no faith in the film.
After what happened with The Hobbit Trilogy, and who knows what the state of the company will be in by then, just can't believe in it.
Side note, whoever here has seen all of WB's Monster verse, how does Godzilla Vs Kong stack up against the other films?
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u/SalmonellaBurger Jan 15 '23
Hobbit was good
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u/bhicdwh92 Jan 16 '23
Not saying it was bad, could have been more than what it was if the whole trilogy was planned out from the start and Peter Jackson got the time he wanted.
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u/Dickus_Maximus_IV Jan 15 '23
Unfortunately I heard its animated. Sad. Will be really hard to make it good that way imo
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u/JohannFilomiIII Easterlings Jan 15 '23
I looked it up. Apparently it’s going to be an anime, and I don’t know if that’s good or bad.
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u/DireWerechicken Jan 15 '23
A new constantine is interesting news. I don't know why your arrow was so off point.
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u/BallDesperate2140 Jan 15 '23
I just thought that said Mad Max: Fursona for a sec and I got a lil’ concerned
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ant-406 Jan 16 '23
Unrelated, but they are making the Meg 2? I'ma have to go see that
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u/puffinsinatrenchcoat Jan 17 '23
Anyone else thinks it’s pathetic how many of these are sequels, reboots or otherwise based on existing IP’s? Creativity is bankrupt in Hollywood. But I will fess up to being a hypocrite in my comment because I’m open to more LOTR content that is NOT Bezos based lol
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u/Saruman_Bot Istari Jan 17 '23
Nay, 'tis understandable that one would seek solace in venerable stories. Yet I agree wholeheartedly - we must go back to creativity's fountain head and seek new tales to make merry with! 'Tis no longer sufficient for Hollywood merely use old material as a crutch.
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u/_Gandalf-The-Gay GANDALF Jan 15 '23
I just hope and pray that they don't fuck it up.